We, the undersigned, are petitioning against the introduction of the proposed rota across the medical directorate at the Leicester Royal Infirmary for August 2015.
A proposed rota with an adjusted normal working day of 8am – 5pm was suggested after consultation with junior doctors, however due to the shortfall of doctors this would result in due to extra compensatory days off, we understand this has now been scrapped.
The most recent proposed rota changes suggest all medical staff working hours of 8am – 4pm as a normal working day across all medical areas including Acute Medical Units and base wards. This would include changing start and finish times of on call duties including all night duties to finish at 9am as opposed to 10am as currently. This rota has not been previously discussed with the aforementioned junior doctors workgroup and their feedback has not been sought.
It is suggested that there is some theoretical benefit of moving the medical rotas forward in expediting discharges from the medical base wards thereby improving patient flow from the Emergency Department and Acute Medical Units, however we do not agree that changing the current medical rotas for all grades of medical doctors is an effective way of achieving this goal.
We object to the proposed rota for a number of other reasons:
1) Clinics
At present afternoon clinics run from 2pm until 5pm. With the introduction of the proposed rota this would result in a large majority of junior doctors and Speciality Registrars breaching their contracted hours at least weekly to fulfil their clinical obligation to their clinic duties. The alternative is to cut the clinics short and therefore serve fewer patients per clinic, or for the Speciality Registrars to 'abandon' their lead Consultants mid-clinic.
2) Teaching and Training
The proposed changes will result in the post-take ward rounds across the Acute Medical Units for those working the night duties finishing an hour earlier than they currently do, without changing the start time (8am). This limits and deprives those junior doctors and Speciality Registrars the training opportunity to present and gain feedback on the patients they have reviewed overnight. This would significantly reduce training, teaching opportunities and job satisfaction.
3) Patient and Family Satisfaction
The majority of patient and family discussions occur in the afternoons, frequently when family members have finished their own jobs. A move to 4pm finishes will reduce the time available to spend with family members and patients to explain the complexities and details of their conditions that could result in more complaints and negative hospital experiences.
4) Breach of contracted hours
Given that the majority of hospital services will not change their working hours and therefore will continue to work until 5pm and in conjunction with the above mentioned points, this will likely result in junior doctors staying later than the proposed contracted finish time of 4pm. This will result in significant breaches in European Working Time Directive and again negatively impact on job satisfaction and morale.
5) Delays in Discharge
The delays in discharge are frequently not due to duties undertaken by junior doctors (as previously seen in audits). It is instead due to delays with pharmacy, therapy assessments, packages of care, ambulance transfers… Therefore we disagree that the conclusion that if the medical team are at work an hour earlier will expedite discharges as without the teamwork of the allied health professionals discharges would not happen.
6) Recruitment and retention
East Midlands Deanery is already an undersubscribed deanery for all grades of junior doctors. A change to 8am starts may dissuade juniors from applying to this deanery and potentially deprive the Trust of excellent junior doctors. We are exploring the Deanery's view on this matter.
7) Policy
For any change to contracts there should be a formal 6-week consultation period in which concerns can be raised. In addition we are entitled to a 6-week notice period regarding on call rotas prior to starting a new post meaning that a notice and consultation period of 12 weeks should be observed prior to August 5th 2015. This would mean notice should have been given on 13th May 2015 which has already passed. Therefore you will be in breach of these terms. We are currently consulting the BMA with regards to our position on this matter.
We strongly suggest that these changes do not take effect.
We suggest a period of evaluation of the current discharge process be undertaken to highlight the steps that are currently ineffective and inefficient and work to reduce the time taken in these steps. This will enable the discharge process to become more streamlined enabling patients to be discharged in a timely manner and improve patient flow.
The current suggestion of making all staff start work an hour earlier is not based on evidence that it will achieve its goals and in our opinion will certainly fail in achieving these goals. In addition it will lead to poor morale and lack of job satisfaction by removing key learning opportunities that will impact on recruitment, retention and sick leave.
We hope this information will assist you in reconsidering your decision,
Yours sincerely
The Junior Doctors at Leicester Royal Infirmary
Updates
May 28, 2015
The hospital management at Leicester Royal Infirmary is finally feeling the heat because this movement is growing too fast for them to ignore. We have proved that they cannot just force these reckless rota changes on us without expecting a massive fight back from the staff they treat like numbers on a spreadsheet.
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May 28, 2015
11 Comments
It is a shame that the 8am-5pm shift pattern has been scrapped as this would have achieved the best of both worlds. On SSU which already started 30 mins earlier, it was difficult to leave at 4:30pm for the points mentioned in the petition, 4pm will be even worse
Pls treat our doctors well rather than introducing measures which makes things worse, demotivates and we lose them to other countrie. Lets nuture, grow, protect our own.
I'll mention this to the Safety Director and Junior Doctors Training Committee today, if this proposed change is true it seems quite ill thought out and potentially dangerous.
Don't do this. You are trying to reinvent the wheel a little here and in doing so will drive the final nail into the proverbial coffin sending more and more doctors overseas. It's already bad enough as it is, why make it worse? Let's listen to the people that actually do the job and stick to what we know works.
Aside from all the above points which I whole-heartedly agree with, I also agree that for those that also have commitments e.g nursery/school drop off for children, arriving at work for 8am is near on impossible.
We have read your comments posted above and appreciate your concerns. For the avoidance of doubt, we wanted to share with you exactly what we have done so far in terms of engaging with those affected by the proposals we are suggesting. We strongly believe that what we are proposing will improve medical handover, patient care and flow. In fact 8am starts already take place within surgery and anaesthetics in our own organisation. We have been actively discussing rota options with trainees at Junior Doctors Forums, Medical Workforce Group (which does have Junior Doctor representation) and taken feedback from trainees who have been asked to draft workable rota options. Clearly there is more we can and will do before any decision is made. We would like to make clear that any changes will only be made after consultation and with agreement from trainees, as well as obtaining approval to ensure training requirements are maintained or improved. We would like to meet with everyone affected by the proposal, or ensure that they get information directly about what is planned and how they can feedback. We will be contacting directly everyone potentially affected by any change. Ian Lawrence, Mark Ardron, Dilesh Lakhani, Biju Simon, Lee Walker
Stop the knee jurking and put more thought into it!
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We, the undersigned, are petitioning against the introduction of the proposed rota across the medical directorate at the Leicester Royal Infirmary for August 2015.
A proposed rota with an adjusted normal working day of 8am – 5pm was suggested after consultation with junior doctors, however due to the shortfall of doctors this would result in due to extra compensatory days off, we understand this has now been scrapped.
The most recent proposed rota changes suggest all medical staff working hours of 8am – 4pm as a normal working day across all medical areas including Acute Medical Units and base wards. This would include changing start and finish times of on call duties including all night duties to finish at 9am as opposed to 10am as currently. This rota has not been previously discussed with the aforementioned junior doctors workgroup and their feedback has not been sought.
It is suggested that there is some theoretical benefit of moving the medical rotas forward in expediting discharges from the medical base wards thereby improving patient flow from the Emergency Department and Acute Medical Units, however we do not agree that changing the current medical rotas for all grades of medical doctors is an effective way of achieving this goal.
We object to the proposed rota for a number of other reasons:
1) Clinics
At present afternoon clinics run from 2pm until 5pm. With the introduction of the proposed rota this would result in a large majority of junior doctors and Speciality Registrars breaching their contracted hours at least weekly to fulfil their clinical obligation to their clinic duties. The alternative is to cut the clinics short and therefore serve fewer patients per clinic, or for the Speciality Registrars to 'abandon' their lead Consultants mid-clinic.
2) Teaching and Training
The proposed changes will result in the post-take ward rounds across the Acute Medical Units for those working the night duties finishing an hour earlier than they currently do, without changing the start time (8am). This limits and deprives those junior doctors and Speciality Registrars the training opportunity to present and gain feedback on the patients they have reviewed overnight. This would significantly reduce training, teaching opportunities and job satisfaction.
3) Patient and Family Satisfaction
The majority of patient and family discussions occur in the afternoons, frequently when family members have finished their own jobs. A move to 4pm finishes will reduce the time available to spend with family members and patients to explain the complexities and details of their conditions that could result in more complaints and negative hospital experiences.
4) Breach of contracted hours
Given that the majority of hospital services will not change their working hours and therefore will continue to work until 5pm and in conjunction with the above mentioned points, this will likely result in junior doctors staying later than the proposed contracted finish time of 4pm. This will result in significant breaches in European Working Time Directive and again negatively impact on job satisfaction and morale.
5) Delays in Discharge
The delays in discharge are frequently not due to duties undertaken by junior doctors (as previously seen in audits). It is instead due to delays with pharmacy, therapy assessments, packages of care, ambulance transfers… Therefore we disagree that the conclusion that if the medical team are at work an hour earlier will expedite discharges as without the teamwork of the allied health professionals discharges would not happen.
6) Recruitment and retention
East Midlands Deanery is already an undersubscribed deanery for all grades of junior doctors. A change to 8am starts may dissuade juniors from applying to this deanery and potentially deprive the Trust of excellent junior doctors. We are exploring the Deanery's view on this matter.
7) Policy
For any change to contracts there should be a formal 6-week consultation period in which concerns can be raised. In addition we are entitled to a 6-week notice period regarding on call rotas prior to starting a new post meaning that a notice and consultation period of 12 weeks should be observed prior to August 5th 2015. This would mean notice should have been given on 13th May 2015 which has already passed. Therefore you will be in breach of these terms. We are currently consulting the BMA with regards to our position on this matter.
We strongly suggest that these changes do not take effect.
We suggest a period of evaluation of the current discharge process be undertaken to highlight the steps that are currently ineffective and inefficient and work to reduce the time taken in these steps. This will enable the discharge process to become more streamlined enabling patients to be discharged in a timely manner and improve patient flow.
The current suggestion of making all staff start work an hour earlier is not based on evidence that it will achieve its goals and in our opinion will certainly fail in achieving these goals. In addition it will lead to poor morale and lack of job satisfaction by removing key learning opportunities that will impact on recruitment, retention and sick leave.
We hope this information will assist you in reconsidering your decision,
Yours sincerely
The Junior Doctors at Leicester Royal Infirmary
Updates
May 28, 2015
The hospital management at Leicester Royal Infirmary is finally feeling the heat because this movement is growing too fast for them to ignore. We have proved that they cannot just force these reckless rota changes on us without expecting a massive fight back from the staff they treat like numbers on a spreadsheet.
Reached 100 supporters
May 28, 2015
11 Comments
Quite simply we have the right to request flexible working hours (https://www.gov.uk/flexible-working/overview) and the option to complain to an employment tribunal if we are not dealt with fairly. For those of us with children, working at 8am with such short notice is impossible
It is a shame that the 8am-5pm shift pattern has been scrapped as this would have achieved the best of both worlds. On SSU which already started 30 mins earlier, it was difficult to leave at 4:30pm for the points mentioned in the petition, 4pm will be even worse
Pls treat our doctors well rather than introducing measures which makes things worse, demotivates and we lose them to other countrie. Lets nuture, grow, protect our own.
I'll mention this to the Safety Director and Junior Doctors Training Committee today, if this proposed change is true it seems quite ill thought out and potentially dangerous.
Don't do this. You are trying to reinvent the wheel a little here and in doing so will drive the final nail into the proverbial coffin sending more and more doctors overseas. It's already bad enough as it is, why make it worse? Let's listen to the people that actually do the job and stick to what we know works.
Aside from all the above points which I whole-heartedly agree with, I also agree that for those that also have commitments e.g nursery/school drop off for children, arriving at work for 8am is near on impossible.
We have read your comments posted above and appreciate your concerns. For the avoidance of doubt, we wanted to share with you exactly what we have done so far in terms of engaging with those affected by the proposals we are suggesting. We strongly believe that what we are proposing will improve medical handover, patient care and flow. In fact 8am starts already take place within surgery and anaesthetics in our own organisation. We have been actively discussing rota options with trainees at Junior Doctors Forums, Medical Workforce Group (which does have Junior Doctor representation) and taken feedback from trainees who have been asked to draft workable rota options. Clearly there is more we can and will do before any decision is made. We would like to make clear that any changes will only be made after consultation and with agreement from trainees, as well as obtaining approval to ensure training requirements are maintained or improved. We would like to meet with everyone affected by the proposal, or ensure that they get information directly about what is planned and how they can feedback. We will be contacting directly everyone potentially affected by any change. Ian Lawrence, Mark Ardron, Dilesh Lakhani, Biju Simon, Lee Walker
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Quite simply we have the right to request flexible working hours (https://www.gov.uk/flexible-working/overview) and the option to complain to an employment tribunal if we are not dealt with fairly. For those of us with children, working at 8am with such short notice is impossible