Exactly, you opt to use your garage for other things. Instead of its intended purpose. The street is to be utilized as a secondary option. And only on a temporary basis. You do it because you can and feel your wants trump the community as a whole. I am very happy you and your neighbor have an arrangement. Nevertheless it's a nuisance, an eyesore, and a safety hazard.
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Anonymous
4 years ago
I've actually asked my neighbors if they are okay with me parking in front of their house and they are totally okay with it. I've been very respectful about my neighbor's parking the whole time. The neighbor to my left has a wife who parks in the street. I do not park in front of that neighbor's house. A neighbor has had friends come over and ask if I would move my car so they can park on the street. I moved my car. Just because I opt to use my garage for things other than cars, doesn't mean that I am not being courteous. In fact, explain to me how parking in front of my own house when possible is not being courteous.
Also, several people choose to park outside of their own house. They are causing no harm to anyone and will no longer be allowed to do this. How is this fair to them?
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Derek Watson
4 years ago
Except that you are not utilizing your garage for its intended purpose. You have chosen to do something because you simply can do it, without consideration or courtesy of your neighbors or neighborhood. That's a shame.
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Nancy L Smith
4 years ago
I do, but we have 5 cars.
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Anonymous
4 years ago
Derek, I appreciate your concern for the safety of my family. Thankfully, this hasn't been an issue for anyone in the family, as the street parking right outside my house creates an easy and safe walk for everybody.
The CCR states that "Homeowners are expected to utilize their four (4) garage and driveway spaces prior to using on-street parking." I am using my four spaces with two cars in the driveway and our garage is at capacity where it simply wouldn't work to park a car in it. I also believe that in the bylaws, they understand that they cannot truly enforce this, as they state "The association recognizes the need to encourage homeowners with multiple vehicles to utilize the cross-streets," with the keyword there being ENCOURAGE.
We can also get information straight from a local police officer that states the following -
"If the neighbor is parking his vehicle in front of your house on a public street, is moving the vehicle within 72 hours of it being parked and is not blocking a driveway, then we can’t make him move his vehicle.
If we tried to try to make your neighbor move his vehicle when he is lawfully parked, we would be unreasonably interfering with his right to use a public street. As long as your neighbor is lawfully parked and not creating a traffic hazard, we would not be able to make him or her stop lawfully parking on a public street."
Even though you think it is quite clear, I don't believe that the CCRs actually make it quite clear, because it would be near impossible to get the city to come out and tow your vehicle, especially without proper signs indicating where you can and cannot park.
I hope you have a fantastic day and try to remember to enjoy life. It's certainly is too short to worry about where others are parking. :)
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Derek Watson
4 years ago
Agree 100%. Follow the rules and be a courteous neighbor. Violation of the rules for some creates a nuisance for all. Be part of the community.
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Derek Watson
4 years ago
Parking and lawn maintenance are not mutually exclusive. Both can be addressed. Kudos to the HOA for doing so.
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Derek Watson
4 years ago
And as a realtor what would you tell a prospect buyer when they enter our neighborhood and see what appears to be a parking lot?
It in no way decreases value having clean clear streets. Quite the opposite I would imagine.
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Derek Watson
4 years ago
No, I don't. But the CCRs do. And it's quite clear when you purchased your home. Perhaps don't prioritize the "things" in your garage over the safety of your family.
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Derek Watson
4 years ago
1. Then let's permit homeless camps too.
2. There are HOA meetings where this is discussed.
3. And what's the loss of value when our neighborhood looks like a Fred Meyer parking lot?
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Isabell Zhu
4 years ago
Yes please focus more on lawns and front yard landscaping. Limited parking = lower property values vs. good front yard maintenance = increased property values. The HOA should focus more on work that will help the community retain property value.
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Li Xiong Chen
4 years ago
I object without street parking
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Anonymous
4 years ago
Who gets to dictate what we use the garage for? I'm not telling you what you can use your backyard or kitchen or bedroom for. You don't get to tell people what the primary use of a garage is.
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Chuan Liu
4 years ago
1. The street parking does not belong to any home owner, anyone can park there. That is public street, not a private road. As a home owner need to understand the basic fact.
2. 90% of the home owner do not know this change, there is not even a vote by owners, and why HOA just change the rule for no reason and without 75% of the homeowner to approve it.
3. Restricting street parking will devalue each lot by at least $50,000, why are we doing this to hurt our home value?
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Guo Chen
4 years ago
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There is plenty space on Thrush or Wren but limited space for cross streets. If we ban Thrush and Wren, it will create more parking issues. It also require more work for parking citation from HOA and it will increase the HOA. In the same time, as a realtor, I am plenty sure it will decrease the whole subdivision’s property value too.
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Derek Watson
4 years ago
Actually has more to do with folks using garages as storage units, personal gyms - complete with saunas - or extra living spaces. That is not their primary purpose. Garages and driveways are for your vehicles. CCRs were very clear when you purchased your home.
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Derek Watson
4 years ago
Well that's a shame. But the garages are primarily for parking your vehicles.
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Derek Watson
4 years ago
Enforcing the parking rules has zero to do with visitors.
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Derek Watson
4 years ago
Can you also not park in your garage/driveway?
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Derek Watson
4 years ago
It's a community wide problem. Garage and driveways are your first best option for parking your cars.
Exactly, you opt to use your garage for other things. Instead of its intended purpose. The street is to be utilized as a secondary option. And only on a temporary basis. You do it because you can and feel your wants trump the community as a whole. I am very happy you and your neighbor have an arrangement. Nevertheless it's a nuisance, an eyesore, and a safety hazard.
I've actually asked my neighbors if they are okay with me parking in front of their house and they are totally okay with it. I've been very respectful about my neighbor's parking the whole time. The neighbor to my left has a wife who parks in the street. I do not park in front of that neighbor's house. A neighbor has had friends come over and ask if I would move my car so they can park on the street. I moved my car. Just because I opt to use my garage for things other than cars, doesn't mean that I am not being courteous. In fact, explain to me how parking in front of my own house when possible is not being courteous. Also, several people choose to park outside of their own house. They are causing no harm to anyone and will no longer be allowed to do this. How is this fair to them?
Except that you are not utilizing your garage for its intended purpose. You have chosen to do something because you simply can do it, without consideration or courtesy of your neighbors or neighborhood. That's a shame.
I do, but we have 5 cars.
Derek, I appreciate your concern for the safety of my family. Thankfully, this hasn't been an issue for anyone in the family, as the street parking right outside my house creates an easy and safe walk for everybody. The CCR states that "Homeowners are expected to utilize their four (4) garage and driveway spaces prior to using on-street parking." I am using my four spaces with two cars in the driveway and our garage is at capacity where it simply wouldn't work to park a car in it. I also believe that in the bylaws, they understand that they cannot truly enforce this, as they state "The association recognizes the need to encourage homeowners with multiple vehicles to utilize the cross-streets," with the keyword there being ENCOURAGE. We can also get information straight from a local police officer that states the following - "If the neighbor is parking his vehicle in front of your house on a public street, is moving the vehicle within 72 hours of it being parked and is not blocking a driveway, then we can’t make him move his vehicle. If we tried to try to make your neighbor move his vehicle when he is lawfully parked, we would be unreasonably interfering with his right to use a public street. As long as your neighbor is lawfully parked and not creating a traffic hazard, we would not be able to make him or her stop lawfully parking on a public street." Even though you think it is quite clear, I don't believe that the CCRs actually make it quite clear, because it would be near impossible to get the city to come out and tow your vehicle, especially without proper signs indicating where you can and cannot park. I hope you have a fantastic day and try to remember to enjoy life. It's certainly is too short to worry about where others are parking. :)
Agree 100%. Follow the rules and be a courteous neighbor. Violation of the rules for some creates a nuisance for all. Be part of the community.
Parking and lawn maintenance are not mutually exclusive. Both can be addressed. Kudos to the HOA for doing so.
And as a realtor what would you tell a prospect buyer when they enter our neighborhood and see what appears to be a parking lot? It in no way decreases value having clean clear streets. Quite the opposite I would imagine.
No, I don't. But the CCRs do. And it's quite clear when you purchased your home. Perhaps don't prioritize the "things" in your garage over the safety of your family.
1. Then let's permit homeless camps too. 2. There are HOA meetings where this is discussed. 3. And what's the loss of value when our neighborhood looks like a Fred Meyer parking lot?
Yes please focus more on lawns and front yard landscaping. Limited parking = lower property values vs. good front yard maintenance = increased property values. The HOA should focus more on work that will help the community retain property value.
I object without street parking
Who gets to dictate what we use the garage for? I'm not telling you what you can use your backyard or kitchen or bedroom for. You don't get to tell people what the primary use of a garage is.
1. The street parking does not belong to any home owner, anyone can park there. That is public street, not a private road. As a home owner need to understand the basic fact. 2. 90% of the home owner do not know this change, there is not even a vote by owners, and why HOA just change the rule for no reason and without 75% of the homeowner to approve it. 3. Restricting street parking will devalue each lot by at least $50,000, why are we doing this to hurt our home value?
There is plenty space on Thrush or Wren but limited space for cross streets. If we ban Thrush and Wren, it will create more parking issues. It also require more work for parking citation from HOA and it will increase the HOA. In the same time, as a realtor, I am plenty sure it will decrease the whole subdivision’s property value too.
Actually has more to do with folks using garages as storage units, personal gyms - complete with saunas - or extra living spaces. That is not their primary purpose. Garages and driveways are for your vehicles. CCRs were very clear when you purchased your home.
Well that's a shame. But the garages are primarily for parking your vehicles.
Enforcing the parking rules has zero to do with visitors.
Can you also not park in your garage/driveway?
It's a community wide problem. Garage and driveways are your first best option for parking your cars.