Remove Chechnya chapter from The Camarilla (sourcebook)
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Dustin Snyder
7 years ago
I wish I could discribe the level of disgust I feel. This is a needless chapter that dehumanize the suffering of people who have been systematically slaughtered.
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Ivan
7 years ago
I tought they had learned something after WoD: Gypsies. It seems it wasn't the case.
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Alanna Woods
7 years ago
Minorities do not exist just so you can have a hip "victim in the refrigerator" moment. Real people, and their plights, do not exist just so you can make a quick buck. What the hell is wrong with you? How do you sleep at night? Is all that privilege really so comforting?
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Anonymous
7 years ago
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As a mental health professional and a gamer I believe that this minimizing portrayal of the very real dangers LGBT people face is harmful.
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Matt Mitchell
7 years ago
This is a silly, "edgy," step back. On the face of it, it's Deep Roleplaying, Not Being Afraid to Confront the Heavy Subjects; in fact it's the opposite, sophomoric and trivializing.
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Briana Brber
7 years ago
I am a huge fan of the WOD as a whole- even with its already existant imperfections, but we cannot in this difficult time utilize the plights of humanity and the horrors of humanity as something to be handwaved by vampires in an entertainment commodity. A more tasteful approach could have even been the vampires simply capitalizeing on the -truth-, the human-horror truth, of whats going on in Chechnya and I truely dont understand how the current writers arent able to approach their new content with more tact. You can still touch on the sins of humanity without making light of them. Please. Remove this chapter as currently written.
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James Monty-Carbonari
7 years ago
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It's in terrible taste. To see what good taste looks like, go look at the foreword in New York By Night, which came out shortly after 9/11
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Anonymous
7 years ago
going back to edgy stuff that tweens in their garage do is not worthy of the million dollar worth ip handled by people who have internet and plenty of resources to hire knowledgeable people to treat these subjects respectfully.
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Ben Macey
7 years ago
This really is grotesque.
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Lisa Marie Ochoa-Lloyd
7 years ago
Its not okay!
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Kendra Tornheim
7 years ago
Fix this.
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Katherine Journeay
7 years ago
Are you kidding me? Which side of history is White Wolf on?
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James Martin
7 years ago
At the very least this chapter needs to be revised. There is a way to bring the horrors of the real world into light, but this is not the way. You promised to be better. This isn’t better.
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Melissa Morrison
7 years ago
This is horrible and should be taken out ASAP
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Brandon M Page
7 years ago
This is no different then if denied any other genocide in recent human history, a far change from the game line that took a hard stance on removing supernatural elements from real world tragedies.
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Anonymous
7 years ago
Disgusting
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William Wadhams
7 years ago
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This is just bad form, and harkenss back to the WoD Gypsy book and the liberties taken to gloss over the facts and legends of the Romani to fit the needs to make a product.
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Veronica Jensen
7 years ago
DO BETTER.
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Bonnie Landry
7 years ago
This is disgusting.
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Matt Kamm
7 years ago
The actual systematic oppression of queer people in Chechnya should not be used as set dressing to establish the villainy of a vampiric regime. I understand that the setting takes it seriously and presents it as evil. That's not the issue. The issue is "enriching" a roleplaying setting by stating that pretend monsters are the ones responsible for real-world violent acts of hatred against marginalized groups of real, actual people.
I wish I could discribe the level of disgust I feel. This is a needless chapter that dehumanize the suffering of people who have been systematically slaughtered.
I tought they had learned something after WoD: Gypsies. It seems it wasn't the case.
Minorities do not exist just so you can have a hip "victim in the refrigerator" moment. Real people, and their plights, do not exist just so you can make a quick buck. What the hell is wrong with you? How do you sleep at night? Is all that privilege really so comforting?
As a mental health professional and a gamer I believe that this minimizing portrayal of the very real dangers LGBT people face is harmful.
This is a silly, "edgy," step back. On the face of it, it's Deep Roleplaying, Not Being Afraid to Confront the Heavy Subjects; in fact it's the opposite, sophomoric and trivializing.
I am a huge fan of the WOD as a whole- even with its already existant imperfections, but we cannot in this difficult time utilize the plights of humanity and the horrors of humanity as something to be handwaved by vampires in an entertainment commodity. A more tasteful approach could have even been the vampires simply capitalizeing on the -truth-, the human-horror truth, of whats going on in Chechnya and I truely dont understand how the current writers arent able to approach their new content with more tact. You can still touch on the sins of humanity without making light of them. Please. Remove this chapter as currently written.
It's in terrible taste. To see what good taste looks like, go look at the foreword in New York By Night, which came out shortly after 9/11
going back to edgy stuff that tweens in their garage do is not worthy of the million dollar worth ip handled by people who have internet and plenty of resources to hire knowledgeable people to treat these subjects respectfully.
This really is grotesque.
Its not okay!
Fix this.
Are you kidding me? Which side of history is White Wolf on?
At the very least this chapter needs to be revised. There is a way to bring the horrors of the real world into light, but this is not the way. You promised to be better. This isn’t better.
This is horrible and should be taken out ASAP
This is no different then if denied any other genocide in recent human history, a far change from the game line that took a hard stance on removing supernatural elements from real world tragedies.
Disgusting
This is just bad form, and harkenss back to the WoD Gypsy book and the liberties taken to gloss over the facts and legends of the Romani to fit the needs to make a product.
DO BETTER.
This is disgusting.
The actual systematic oppression of queer people in Chechnya should not be used as set dressing to establish the villainy of a vampiric regime. I understand that the setting takes it seriously and presents it as evil. That's not the issue. The issue is "enriching" a roleplaying setting by stating that pretend monsters are the ones responsible for real-world violent acts of hatred against marginalized groups of real, actual people.