In the event that Fall 2020 will proceed as the remaining quarter of the preceding Winter, I'm failing to grasp why my agreement with the law school should remain unchanged. I understand that there are many moving parts to this decision which has apparently already been reached, but the words "not economically feasible" will require further explanation.
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Hussein Bazzi
6 years ago
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students should have the choice unless there are serious health and safety risks to everyone.
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Anonymous
6 years ago
I sign in full support of returning to campus in the fall. As my colleagues have already noted, the American Bar Association has a limit on online courses, because it acknowledges and believes that a juris doctor cannot be adequately earned online.
I respectfully, but vehemently request tuition be lowered significantly should the administration decide against coming back to campus in the fall.
The CDC has recommendations for reentering places of higher learning, and I believe we should adhere to them, understanding that coming back to campus while adhering to the guidelines is not in the high risk category. Disinfecting surfaces and wearing protective masks when applicable are sacrifices we, as students are willing to make. We adhered to the school's decisions at the beginning of the pandemic, and will continue to do so when there is evidence that points to exactly what we should do. While now there are not defined rules, there are recommendations and guidelines. We should adhere to these guidelines. Which include guiding and ensuring the safe return to places of higher learning. The administration of Detroit Mercy Law must acknowledge that we, as students, agreed to pay for a degree that would better our future and ensure our success.
The professors at the end of the Winter 2020 term did the best they could with what they were given, and I am not denying that they would continue to serve us well as individual professors. However, this situation of 100% online learning is not feasible any more for the staff than it is for the student body. I am not asking for our hands to be held. Teaching is not hand-holding. Teaching is what your staff agreed to do for us, and in return, we agreed to pay tuition. As simplified as that is, that exchange is not satisfied within the confinements on an online education.
Also, there are different household compositions and personal issues that the majority of the student body has, that will make it near impossible to rem
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Anonymous
6 years ago
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Not only are students entitled to reduced tuition in the fall semester, but also the summer semester. There is no way we are receiving a value worth $1500 per credit by participating in online classes.
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Stephanie Stavrou
6 years ago
Kristianth,
Thank you for your support, those of us who have signed greatly appreciate it. We are grateful that in less than two days the petition has received 90 signatures.
Your comment points out the exact goal of this petition – CHOICE. Your decision to stay home is valid and we respect that. Those who have signed simply want the same choice in return.
Best,
Stephanie Stavrou
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Stephanie Stavrou
6 years ago
Anonymous,
Thank you for sharing your comment and concerns about the petition. Those of us who created it did so with the intention and hope of facilitating thoughtful and productive conversation on the topic of fall classes. It has never been our intention to speak for the whole student body, and we respect and appreciate your views. The goal of the petition has always been to give students the CHOICE about whether they should return to in-person classes or remain at home online. Those of us who wish to return to in-person class do not view it as rushing to re-open, but we respect your views and choice to remain home. If that is what you feel most comfortable with, then that is absolutely what you should do. We simply desire the same opportunity to decide for ourselves.
On an individual note, I disagree with your comment about students having their hands held. The value of our education comes from the experience of the professors who teach us. If all being a lawyer required was reading textbooks and teaching ourselves, a law degree would not only be cheaper but easier to obtain. Our highly respected professors offer so much to our educations. So much of that is lost when we aren’t in person.
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Anonymous
6 years ago
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I agree we should look forward in hope that the school will be reopen in the Fall. If it is in fact too unsafe to return I definitely think we are entitled to a reduced tuition.
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Kristianth Piroli
6 years ago
I applaud my fellow classmates for voicing their concerns. I sign this petition in full support of their desire to physically go back to school.
I count 20 signees at the bottom of the page, so each classroom should be well equipped to seat all 20 of them at a safe distance. I fully support these 20 brave students returning to school and paying full 100% tuition in the Fall.
They can sit in the classroom while the rest of us video conference in. The television or projector in the room can display our zoom/skype call.
Heads up for future negotiations/demands on behalf of your clients - do not negotiate against yourself. You ultimately undermine your request by including a lesser position in your original offer/demand. You've essentially altered your original "demand" into a diary entry.
Have a great Summer, see you all on Skype.
Respectfully yours,
Kristianth Piroli
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Anonymous
6 years ago
I respectfully dissent against reopening the school in the fall. The value of my health is priceless and I do not agree with this petition to waive liability if I contracted Covid-19 because of a rush to re-open the school and this was the cause in fact of why I contracted it. As a future attorney, I am responsible for the quality of care I provide to my client. As such, it is my responsibility to insure that I hold myself accountable for my own learning. Our Professors are not meant to hold hand the students. As students it is our responsibility to be self-directed learners and use the professors as tools to build on our learning. There is absolutely no reason to risk our health or safety for what could not have been reasonably foreseen at the start of our law school education by rushing to reopen the school. With this thought in mind, as a student, I am fully onboard with continuing classes for the fall online. By prematurely reopening, our health and safety are put in jeopardy, the health and safety of those who we may live with or come into with are put into jeopardy, and multiple that by ‘x’ number of students and staff, the risk to reopen still remains high. I understand that online learning is not ideal for some students because they get distracted easily or may have distractions within or around their learning environment, however, as self-directed learners it is the students responsibility to adapt, just as we would need to adapt when faced with distractions that would occur within our future law careers. I also disagree with the petition regarding the following of the CDC guidelines, by rushing to reopen the school, we would be in fact doing just the opposite of what the CDC suggest. A major part of the CDC guidelines are to be socially distant. The definition of distant means to be far away and with in-person classes there is no way to be far away. As such, the intent to hold in-person classes, goes against the CDC guideline that this petition stated it
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Stephen Bruni
6 years ago
Dual JD Candidate 2021
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Rita Soka
6 years ago
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Please we need to be on campus in the fall. We cannot learn from home, too many distractions and not the best environment for learning.
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Jessica Herfst
6 years ago
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There is a reason the ABA has not allowed for online law school up until this point and it’s because it simply is not the quality of education we want future lawyers to receive.
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Anonymous
6 years ago
I vote to reduce tuition! I dont think the school will be opened.
In the event that Fall 2020 will proceed as the remaining quarter of the preceding Winter, I'm failing to grasp why my agreement with the law school should remain unchanged. I understand that there are many moving parts to this decision which has apparently already been reached, but the words "not economically feasible" will require further explanation.
students should have the choice unless there are serious health and safety risks to everyone.
I sign in full support of returning to campus in the fall. As my colleagues have already noted, the American Bar Association has a limit on online courses, because it acknowledges and believes that a juris doctor cannot be adequately earned online. I respectfully, but vehemently request tuition be lowered significantly should the administration decide against coming back to campus in the fall. The CDC has recommendations for reentering places of higher learning, and I believe we should adhere to them, understanding that coming back to campus while adhering to the guidelines is not in the high risk category. Disinfecting surfaces and wearing protective masks when applicable are sacrifices we, as students are willing to make. We adhered to the school's decisions at the beginning of the pandemic, and will continue to do so when there is evidence that points to exactly what we should do. While now there are not defined rules, there are recommendations and guidelines. We should adhere to these guidelines. Which include guiding and ensuring the safe return to places of higher learning. The administration of Detroit Mercy Law must acknowledge that we, as students, agreed to pay for a degree that would better our future and ensure our success. The professors at the end of the Winter 2020 term did the best they could with what they were given, and I am not denying that they would continue to serve us well as individual professors. However, this situation of 100% online learning is not feasible any more for the staff than it is for the student body. I am not asking for our hands to be held. Teaching is not hand-holding. Teaching is what your staff agreed to do for us, and in return, we agreed to pay tuition. As simplified as that is, that exchange is not satisfied within the confinements on an online education. Also, there are different household compositions and personal issues that the majority of the student body has, that will make it near impossible to rem
Not only are students entitled to reduced tuition in the fall semester, but also the summer semester. There is no way we are receiving a value worth $1500 per credit by participating in online classes.
Kristianth, Thank you for your support, those of us who have signed greatly appreciate it. We are grateful that in less than two days the petition has received 90 signatures. Your comment points out the exact goal of this petition – CHOICE. Your decision to stay home is valid and we respect that. Those who have signed simply want the same choice in return. Best, Stephanie Stavrou
Anonymous, Thank you for sharing your comment and concerns about the petition. Those of us who created it did so with the intention and hope of facilitating thoughtful and productive conversation on the topic of fall classes. It has never been our intention to speak for the whole student body, and we respect and appreciate your views. The goal of the petition has always been to give students the CHOICE about whether they should return to in-person classes or remain at home online. Those of us who wish to return to in-person class do not view it as rushing to re-open, but we respect your views and choice to remain home. If that is what you feel most comfortable with, then that is absolutely what you should do. We simply desire the same opportunity to decide for ourselves. On an individual note, I disagree with your comment about students having their hands held. The value of our education comes from the experience of the professors who teach us. If all being a lawyer required was reading textbooks and teaching ourselves, a law degree would not only be cheaper but easier to obtain. Our highly respected professors offer so much to our educations. So much of that is lost when we aren’t in person.
I agree we should look forward in hope that the school will be reopen in the Fall. If it is in fact too unsafe to return I definitely think we are entitled to a reduced tuition.
I applaud my fellow classmates for voicing their concerns. I sign this petition in full support of their desire to physically go back to school. I count 20 signees at the bottom of the page, so each classroom should be well equipped to seat all 20 of them at a safe distance. I fully support these 20 brave students returning to school and paying full 100% tuition in the Fall. They can sit in the classroom while the rest of us video conference in. The television or projector in the room can display our zoom/skype call. Heads up for future negotiations/demands on behalf of your clients - do not negotiate against yourself. You ultimately undermine your request by including a lesser position in your original offer/demand. You've essentially altered your original "demand" into a diary entry. Have a great Summer, see you all on Skype. Respectfully yours, Kristianth Piroli
I respectfully dissent against reopening the school in the fall. The value of my health is priceless and I do not agree with this petition to waive liability if I contracted Covid-19 because of a rush to re-open the school and this was the cause in fact of why I contracted it. As a future attorney, I am responsible for the quality of care I provide to my client. As such, it is my responsibility to insure that I hold myself accountable for my own learning. Our Professors are not meant to hold hand the students. As students it is our responsibility to be self-directed learners and use the professors as tools to build on our learning. There is absolutely no reason to risk our health or safety for what could not have been reasonably foreseen at the start of our law school education by rushing to reopen the school. With this thought in mind, as a student, I am fully onboard with continuing classes for the fall online. By prematurely reopening, our health and safety are put in jeopardy, the health and safety of those who we may live with or come into with are put into jeopardy, and multiple that by ‘x’ number of students and staff, the risk to reopen still remains high. I understand that online learning is not ideal for some students because they get distracted easily or may have distractions within or around their learning environment, however, as self-directed learners it is the students responsibility to adapt, just as we would need to adapt when faced with distractions that would occur within our future law careers. I also disagree with the petition regarding the following of the CDC guidelines, by rushing to reopen the school, we would be in fact doing just the opposite of what the CDC suggest. A major part of the CDC guidelines are to be socially distant. The definition of distant means to be far away and with in-person classes there is no way to be far away. As such, the intent to hold in-person classes, goes against the CDC guideline that this petition stated it
Dual JD Candidate 2021
Please we need to be on campus in the fall. We cannot learn from home, too many distractions and not the best environment for learning.
There is a reason the ABA has not allowed for online law school up until this point and it’s because it simply is not the quality of education we want future lawyers to receive.
I vote to reduce tuition! I dont think the school will be opened.