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No Generative AI At Berklee- Disband Bots, Beats and Bytes

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James MD
2 months ago

The fact that this was even allowed to slither its way in to the curriculum is as clear a sign as any that Lucchese and any other technocratic idiots have no place operating an arts institution. Down with generative AI.

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Andres Giraldo
2 months ago

Please stop robbing yourself

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Matt Walsh
2 months ago

I'm a former Berklee student who just graduated this month. Berklee's leadership claims that this class will help prepare students to have successful careers in the future, but I think the evidence shows that Suno and Chat GPT offer nothing to any artist that would translate to success. These technologies are theft machines that are incapable of creating anything new, interesting, or exciting, but are certainly capable of plagiarism. The most successful AI music so far has either been in the form of low-effort memes with little staying power, or bot farms that flood streaming platforms with thousands of AI-generated songs that barely anyone actually listens to in order to scrape money together. Prompting Suno to make a song does not result in good or well-liked songs. And importantly for students entering a gigging industry where connections and reputation are super important, the tech is *profoundly* despised by a majority of us, and anyone who uses it is potentially throwing their reputation in the toilet. I’m sure there are other uses for machine learning in music that are wonderful and deserve attention, but gen AI is a dead end and classes like Ben Camp’s promote nothing but laziness and career suicide.

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Kai
2 months ago

Generative AI discourages creativity, discourages growth and mastery of craft, steals from artists, destroys the environment, and is cited as the #1 reason for layoffs today. We are aware that the administration at Berklee is financially involved with Suno, and we know this is only for your profit, not the planet or the people who inhabit it. This is not the equivalent of computers "replacing" books. It is genuinely hurting everyone except the people who put profits above all else. Remove the AI course, and never add another one.

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Alex Huth
2 months ago

I am a former Berklee student. The topic of generative AI in music absolutely has a place as part of a Berklee curriculum; students need to be prepared to deal with the real world, and genAI tools like Suno are real. But ethical, legal, and aesthetic concerns should come first. This topic should be taught cautiously, not cynically. I am particularly concerned about the conflict of interest in having a paid agent of a third party company teaching students to use that company's product. This plays into the worst "music factory" stereotypes that have been thrown at Berklee for decades, since before I even attended. It begins to resemble indoctrination more than education. Each year I have less and less confidence in and respect for the college where I spent so much time in my youth. It feels worse and worse to receive the alumni fundraising letters. It feels worse and worse to learn that someone's high school kid wants to go to Berklee and have my name come up as someone who can talk to them about my experience, given the path that the college's administration has taken it on in the twenty years since I attended. 1. This course should be removed from the catalog immediately. 2. Berklee should offer an undergraduate course that prepares students to tackle ethical, moral, legal, financial and aesthetic concerns around the use of genAI. 3. The course instructor must have no disqualifying conflicts of interest. 4. The course should be a mandatory prerequisite to any other course that is structured around hands-on genAI tool use.

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Francis Lumibao
2 months ago

I'm currently a Berklee Online student. And it sucks when people on top are scumbags.

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John Nguyen
2 months ago

As a Berklee alumni, it is disheartening to see the lack of foresight in training future music industry professionals to rely on machine stolen models to create. For music to grow, it doesn't just take a prompt to create, but the human element of creativity to expand upon ideas and experiences that a machine cannot replicate. Continuing down this path destroys the reputability and legacy of the monolith that is Berklee College of Music, not just for alumni, but the industry as a whole.

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Isaac Wisdom
2 months ago

Berklee Valencia ‘22. To give a course promoting AI music as a valid form of artistic expression is to make a mockery of what it means to be an artist.

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Hristo Konstantinov
2 months ago

ART IS FOR HUMANS

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Alessandro Raphael Wirawan
2 months ago

AI generated media is inherently and fundamentally bad.

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Dominic LaRocca
2 months ago

As a Berklee Alum, I can confidently say that AI music has no place at Berklee. Berklee is the best music school in the world, but teaching AI music is destroying that legacy.

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Al Stopka
2 months ago

The fastest way how to tarnish your reputation, Berklee. :(

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Matthew Todd
2 months ago

AI robs the creativity of musicians. The brain needs to be used, or it atrophies, and using AI to write songs is a slippery slope to slop, leading to the end of songwriting as an art. Generative AI should not be taught.

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Anonymous
2 months ago

Unbelievable I actually have to sign a petition to ... ban music AI out of music school

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Adam Merenstein
2 months ago

AI is the most damaging technological advance. it will cause the downfall of society

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Anonymous
2 months ago

Incorporating generative AI into curriculum in a prestigious institution for musical education demonstrates a lack of respect for the art form, a lack of professionalism with regard to music education, and a sheer incompetency at education in general. This is especially frustrated by claims from an instructor that Suno is better than their students; that personifies an individual who is woefully incompetent at education and does not deserve the position they have been awarded. As someone passionate about music and education, I strongly urge Berklee to stop prioritizing moneyed interests rooted in corporate greed over the education of their students. An educational institution that does not put integrity and education first should not exist, and any instructors endorsing this model that claim to care about education should resign from being educators permanently or be ousted as ignominious liars. It is a disgrace to the profession, it is a disgusting insult to music as an art form, and you deserve to be ashamed of yourself for the rest of your life if you have in any way supported the integration of generative AI into any student curriculum.

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Evie Mills
2 months ago

There is no need for AI in a creative degree. AI will never create something as meaningful as a real human being.

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Juan Amado
2 months ago

I'm a Berklee Online alumnus. Not all AI is bad. But AI tools like SUNO, which openly avoid copyright responsibility and plagiarize musicians' work, will irreversibly stain the name of this once great music institution. Eliminate these unethical tools, and replace the leadership which promotes them, before all credibility and prestige is lost from Berklee College of Music.

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Thomas Emmanuel Côté
2 months ago

Keep on rockin' in the real world!

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Peter Chambers
2 months ago

No AI thanks.