Howell's School wants to build floodlit 5-a-side football pitches on its fields at Palace Road and Pencisely Road, with a new sports pavilion.
Mae Ysgol Howell's am adeiladu caeau pêldroed 5 bob ochr llifoleuedig ar y caeau sy'n ffinio Ffordd Pencisely a Palace Road, ynghyd a neuadd chwaraeon newydd.
They propose this will be open until 9 at night, every night, and at weekends.
Bydd y caeau ar agor bob nos, bob penwythnos tan 9 yr hwyr.
The floodlights will be 11 metres high.
Bydd y llifoleuadau yn mesur 11 metr o uchder.
This is in the heart of a conservation area and on listed land, in a city with unused all weather pitch capacity - at Glantaf, at Radyr, on Manor Way, at Cardif Uni (Talybont) and Cardiff Met Cyncoed.
Does dim lle i'r caeau newydd yma yng nghanol ardal rhestredig, yn enwedig gan fod pump cae arall o'r fath ar gael yn y ddinas - yng Nglantaf, yn Radyr, Manor Way, Prifysgol Caerdydd (Talybont) a draw yn UWIC Cyncoed.
The school wants to do this because since 2011, private schools have been allowed to show "community benefit" to provide tax exemption by letting out their facilities commercially.
Gwir bwrpas y prosiect yma yw'r ffaith bod ysgolion preifat ers 2011, yn cael defnyddio "community benefit" fel esgus i'w heithrio rhag talu trethi drwy ei osod fel adnodd masnachol.
What community benefit is there in allowing a very wealthy institution to compete with municipal and local facilities, while affecting the local community in terms of noise, light, and traffic?
Pa fudd masnachol sydd o ganiatau i sefydliad cyfoethog iawn gystadlu gyda'n hadnoddau trefol tra'n dinistrio'r amgylchedd lleol gyda'r holl sŵn, y golau a'rtraffic?
Please join us and say "No" to Howell's Astroturf.
Ymunwch trwy arwyddo'r ddeiseb - "Na" i Astroturf Howell's.
Hywel James
USEFUL CONTACTS
If you want to see the plans, Howell's have sent details of a presentation to certain local residents. It is on the 12th March between 6pm and 8pm. The contact to book a place is Carol Phillips ( [email protected] , 02920 562019).
It would be helpful if you got in touch with your Councillors (the west of Pencisely Road is largely Canton ward, the rest of the affected area Llandaff) and the Planning Committee:
Cysylltwch a'ch cynghorydd lleol a'r Pwyllgor Cynllunio:
Canton
Ramesh Patel: [email protected]
Richard Cook: [email protected]
Llandaff
Gareth Aubrey: [email protected]
Kirsty Davies: [email protected]
Planning: [email protected]
Updates
February 27, 2014
The massive surge of support proves that the neighborhood sees right through the school's pathetic attempt to disguise a commercial enterprise as a community benefit. We are finally gaining enough momentum to force the greedy administrators at Howell's back to the drawing board.
29 Comments
Over the past 20 years, school has almost doubled in size and has become a big business. Considerable negative impact on roads in the immediate area, traffic congestion is a constant problem. The Astroturf initiative will make things even worse
Llandaff has been my home for more than 20 years, during that time I have seen the inevitable build up of traffic particularly in Cardiff road! this plan will undoubtedly increase the problem and with similar existing facilities in close proximity I see no reason for this moneymaking facility.
"OUR SCHOOL COMMUNITY IS BASED ON AN ETHOS OF MUTUAL RESPECT AND CONSIDERATION" This statement of philosophy dated January 2014, is taken from Howell's School anti bullying policy. Regrettably it seems that this ethos is not extended to the school's neighbours within the local community, in particular, the residents of The Mews, Llandaff Place whose quality of life will be severely effected if the proposals to construct astroturf pitches are made a reality.
There seem to be three challenges: 1) It is likely that the plans are being commercially driven. 2) They detract not enhance the public realm of the conservation area and 3) Ongoing developments in the area impact on residents (Pencisely Road layout, school back entrance/signage and new housing on site of bowls club).
It's a disgrace. The school and Council must consider the local residents who will be affected greatly by this proposal. It is a conservation area and a 12ft high fence 12ft from your window is planning madness.
As this is a discussion I'd like to defend Howell's plans to build this facility. The OP suggests that: "This is in the heart of a conservation area and on listed land, in a city with unused all weather pitch capacity - at Glantaf, at Radyr, on Manor Way, at Cardif Uni (Talybont) and Cardiff Met Cyncoed." As an organiser of local sports in Cardiff I can say that Cardiff requires more of these facilities. Glantaf and Radyr are very popular amongst local sports team and availability of these facilities is limited. Taylbont has two facilities yes (AstroTurf and 3G) but both are popular and the latter does not have the dimensions fit for some sports. Finally Cardiff Met do not let out their 3G pitch to the local community, and their AstroTurf is in high demand due to its location. Cardiff then has more facilities than the OP has listed; however, very few of these are 3G pitches. Cardiff City own the House of Sport, which is not financially viable for clubs to use at over a £100 an hour. Powerleagues and Gol have five a side 3G facilities but are readily booked in the week for lucrative 5 a side leagues. Cardiff High has a new 3G facility, but only half of it is floodlit making it impracticable. Bishop of Llandaf have a 3G pitch but do not have floodlights. The majority of the facilities in Cardiff are either too expensive or out-dated. To improve sport in 2014's European Capital of Sport (Yes, it's Cardiff) we need facilities such as the one proposed at Howell's. South Wales, especially in the Cardiff District, lags behind Wales and more importantly England in terms of community facilities for sport. Anyone involved with community based schemes will know this. What Howell's will be providing is a facility to help improve our sporting prowess in South Wales. Giving the community a chance to play sport; children (boys and girls), those with disabilities, and more. Let's not assume this facility will be taken up by loud-mouth, swearing men who blight the
Llandaff is already conjested and and noisy, this project will simply impact on what little peace and quiet there is in the evenoings
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Howell's School wants to build floodlit 5-a-side football pitches on its fields at Palace Road and Pencisely Road, with a new sports pavilion.
Mae Ysgol Howell's am adeiladu caeau pêldroed 5 bob ochr llifoleuedig ar y caeau sy'n ffinio Ffordd Pencisely a Palace Road, ynghyd a neuadd chwaraeon newydd.
They propose this will be open until 9 at night, every night, and at weekends.
Bydd y caeau ar agor bob nos, bob penwythnos tan 9 yr hwyr.
The floodlights will be 11 metres high.
Bydd y llifoleuadau yn mesur 11 metr o uchder.
This is in the heart of a conservation area and on listed land, in a city with unused all weather pitch capacity - at Glantaf, at Radyr, on Manor Way, at Cardif Uni (Talybont) and Cardiff Met Cyncoed.
Does dim lle i'r caeau newydd yma yng nghanol ardal rhestredig, yn enwedig gan fod pump cae arall o'r fath ar gael yn y ddinas - yng Nglantaf, yn Radyr, Manor Way, Prifysgol Caerdydd (Talybont) a draw yn UWIC Cyncoed.
The school wants to do this because since 2011, private schools have been allowed to show "community benefit" to provide tax exemption by letting out their facilities commercially.
Gwir bwrpas y prosiect yma yw'r ffaith bod ysgolion preifat ers 2011, yn cael defnyddio "community benefit" fel esgus i'w heithrio rhag talu trethi drwy ei osod fel adnodd masnachol.
What community benefit is there in allowing a very wealthy institution to compete with municipal and local facilities, while affecting the local community in terms of noise, light, and traffic?
Pa fudd masnachol sydd o ganiatau i sefydliad cyfoethog iawn gystadlu gyda'n hadnoddau trefol tra'n dinistrio'r amgylchedd lleol gyda'r holl sŵn, y golau a'rtraffic?
Please join us and say "No" to Howell's Astroturf.
Ymunwch trwy arwyddo'r ddeiseb - "Na" i Astroturf Howell's.
Hywel James
USEFUL CONTACTS
If you want to see the plans, Howell's have sent details of a presentation to certain local residents. It is on the 12th March between 6pm and 8pm. The contact to book a place is Carol Phillips ( [email protected] , 02920 562019).
It would be helpful if you got in touch with your Councillors (the west of Pencisely Road is largely Canton ward, the rest of the affected area Llandaff) and the Planning Committee:
Cysylltwch a'ch cynghorydd lleol a'r Pwyllgor Cynllunio:
Canton
Ramesh Patel: [email protected]
Richard Cook: [email protected]
Llandaff
Gareth Aubrey: [email protected]
Kirsty Davies: [email protected]
Planning: [email protected]
Updates
February 27, 2014
The massive surge of support proves that the neighborhood sees right through the school's pathetic attempt to disguise a commercial enterprise as a community benefit. We are finally gaining enough momentum to force the greedy administrators at Howell's back to the drawing board.
29 Comments
It's worse than that. we are being misled: last June I was told in writing by Richard Read, who runs the School grounds, "the school has no intention (or current opportunity) to extend its programme to exploit commercially having the pitch..." and "I speak for the current Leadership Team that there is no intention for lighting..."
Over the past 20 years, school has almost doubled in size and has become a big business. Considerable negative impact on roads in the immediate area, traffic congestion is a constant problem. The Astroturf initiative will make things even worse
Llandaff has been my home for more than 20 years, during that time I have seen the inevitable build up of traffic particularly in Cardiff road! this plan will undoubtedly increase the problem and with similar existing facilities in close proximity I see no reason for this moneymaking facility.
"OUR SCHOOL COMMUNITY IS BASED ON AN ETHOS OF MUTUAL RESPECT AND CONSIDERATION" This statement of philosophy dated January 2014, is taken from Howell's School anti bullying policy. Regrettably it seems that this ethos is not extended to the school's neighbours within the local community, in particular, the residents of The Mews, Llandaff Place whose quality of life will be severely effected if the proposals to construct astroturf pitches are made a reality.
There seem to be three challenges: 1) It is likely that the plans are being commercially driven. 2) They detract not enhance the public realm of the conservation area and 3) Ongoing developments in the area impact on residents (Pencisely Road layout, school back entrance/signage and new housing on site of bowls club).
It's a disgrace. The school and Council must consider the local residents who will be affected greatly by this proposal. It is a conservation area and a 12ft high fence 12ft from your window is planning madness.
As this is a discussion I'd like to defend Howell's plans to build this facility. The OP suggests that: "This is in the heart of a conservation area and on listed land, in a city with unused all weather pitch capacity - at Glantaf, at Radyr, on Manor Way, at Cardif Uni (Talybont) and Cardiff Met Cyncoed." As an organiser of local sports in Cardiff I can say that Cardiff requires more of these facilities. Glantaf and Radyr are very popular amongst local sports team and availability of these facilities is limited. Taylbont has two facilities yes (AstroTurf and 3G) but both are popular and the latter does not have the dimensions fit for some sports. Finally Cardiff Met do not let out their 3G pitch to the local community, and their AstroTurf is in high demand due to its location. Cardiff then has more facilities than the OP has listed; however, very few of these are 3G pitches. Cardiff City own the House of Sport, which is not financially viable for clubs to use at over a £100 an hour. Powerleagues and Gol have five a side 3G facilities but are readily booked in the week for lucrative 5 a side leagues. Cardiff High has a new 3G facility, but only half of it is floodlit making it impracticable. Bishop of Llandaf have a 3G pitch but do not have floodlights. The majority of the facilities in Cardiff are either too expensive or out-dated. To improve sport in 2014's European Capital of Sport (Yes, it's Cardiff) we need facilities such as the one proposed at Howell's. South Wales, especially in the Cardiff District, lags behind Wales and more importantly England in terms of community facilities for sport. Anyone involved with community based schemes will know this. What Howell's will be providing is a facility to help improve our sporting prowess in South Wales. Giving the community a chance to play sport; children (boys and girls), those with disabilities, and more. Let's not assume this facility will be taken up by loud-mouth, swearing men who blight the
Llandaff is already conjested and and noisy, this project will simply impact on what little peace and quiet there is in the evenoings
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It's worse than that. we are being misled: last June I was told in writing by Richard Read, who runs the School grounds, "the school has no intention (or current opportunity) to extend its programme to exploit commercially having the pitch..." and "I speak for the current Leadership Team that there is no intention for lighting..."