CCNC Long Range Plan: Alternatives to the Boards Proposal
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Charles S. Webb III
11 years ago
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As a former president of a NE country club, I experienced the same issues facing CCNC, ie, attracting new members. Our research revealed that today's members want more than just a golf course. This club must recognize that improving golf facilitieswithout enhancing our capital plant. It is not a long range plan and will fail to attract new members.
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Bill Shilkitus
11 years ago
I have spoken to many of my friends about joining our club. Most are in that target age range previously mentioned. In conversation, not one of them have brought up the condition/age of the clubhouse as an issue for them or as a determining factor on whether they join or not. Nearly all want to know about the golf course, tennis courts, and cost. That being said, and as a counterpoint to the above, there is a point when an antiquated clubhouse becomes somewhat of a bad joke. And as we do plan for the inevitable upgrades, I strongly feel the golf venue building should centaintly house the locker rooms and 19th hole. I regetably believe the decline in private golf club membership isn't entirely in our control, and feel it is mostly a result of the changed landscape of American social life. Just like people don't follow baseball like they did, or eat at carhops, people's taste have changed along with their social practices.
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John Taylor
11 years ago
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There are some good ideas here but I agree that overall this (a) does not seem like a long-range strategic plan and (b) it isn't clear to me in the world we live today (vs. the world of 1964) that these changes, if implemented, will lead to an increase in membership.
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JAMES ULRICH
11 years ago
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My concern is that we do not get too grandiose in our thinking; over-invest in golf course, facilitiy, and amenity changes (improvements?); and end up with a net loss in membership rather than an increase. There are many reason why CCNC membership has declined from 1,100+ members to approx. 900. I have no indication that condition of our golf courses or clubhouse facilities is one of them. It is almost always a simple cost-benefit decision. We all want continuous improvement in CCNC golf courses, facilities, and amenities. However the cost-benefit ratio has to make sense for marginal and new members. That's the bottom line.
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Brantley Clifton
11 years ago
Do not approve until detailed long range plan, good estimate, comment period for members, and priorities set for future. There are more important things than so much $ for Dogwood.
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Steve baxter
11 years ago
Fully support this alternative
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Wyman McGuirt
11 years ago
I believe the first priority should be to address the functional, structural and aesthetic problems with the clubhouse which are being ignored with the current proposal.
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Sherwood Robertson
11 years ago
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I hope the board receives this with an open mind. I have no problem with the golf course work. I think moving the pro shop is a terrific waste of money and the reason presented for the move do not make any sense at all. The half way house should be expanded, but putting a bar on a second floor above it sounds absurd.
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Sydney E. Gregory
11 years ago
Who brought the McMahon Group into the affairs of CCNC? The current membership has more than enough talent to handle every challenge economically and efficiently. ?ershipgipaffairs of CCNC
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DICK & RUSTI WELCH
11 years ago
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We are so glad some people are thinking clearly and positioning some questions that the current Board of Directors should not be able to ignore. The Club has changed in many ways since my father first came to Pinehurst in 1968 and joined CCNC. Although there certainly have been some positive developments in those almost-50 years, the current trends are not positive ones. What reputation will CCNC have in 50 more years?
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Connie Lovell
11 years ago
I look forward to the establishment of a long range planning team. Give this team the authority to analyze the data collected by AHC and McMahon and produce a master plan by the end of 2015, influenced by the realities of comparable golf communities and the unique responsibility we have to our current membership.
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Sherwood Robertson
11 years ago
Hopefully this will be met with an open mind.
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Arthur P Medeiros
11 years ago
We also should add a more detailed financial analyses regarding impact of interest rates and a more detailed IRR/cash flow impact
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Shane Moubry
11 years ago
I feel the board will do what they want to do regardless. Sinking 5 million into Dogwood is the least of our concerns. I have no confidence in the board to make the right decision for my family or the future of the club.
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Greg & Kappa Muldoon
11 years ago
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Given the level of investment needed at CCNC, a well thought out plan is crucial. A well thought out funding strategy is also crucial. We support making the necessary and needed improvements at CCNC to keep it a top tier and relevant Country Club. We are also willing to pay our share to get it done.
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Ben E. Jordan, Jr. J-21
11 years ago
I support this petition wholeheartedly! We must listen to the committe who researched all of the issues over a period of months.
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Brian Parkes
11 years ago
I feel without strong amenities the value of my home will decline over time as have the club.
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Bob Anderson
11 years ago
I agree. Planning is essential to the continued relevance of CCNC. I would suggest that we not deal in any details at his time. They can be dealt with during the strategic planning portion of the long range plan.
As a former president of a NE country club, I experienced the same issues facing CCNC, ie, attracting new members. Our research revealed that today's members want more than just a golf course. This club must recognize that improving golf facilitieswithout enhancing our capital plant. It is not a long range plan and will fail to attract new members.
I have spoken to many of my friends about joining our club. Most are in that target age range previously mentioned. In conversation, not one of them have brought up the condition/age of the clubhouse as an issue for them or as a determining factor on whether they join or not. Nearly all want to know about the golf course, tennis courts, and cost. That being said, and as a counterpoint to the above, there is a point when an antiquated clubhouse becomes somewhat of a bad joke. And as we do plan for the inevitable upgrades, I strongly feel the golf venue building should centaintly house the locker rooms and 19th hole. I regetably believe the decline in private golf club membership isn't entirely in our control, and feel it is mostly a result of the changed landscape of American social life. Just like people don't follow baseball like they did, or eat at carhops, people's taste have changed along with their social practices.
There are some good ideas here but I agree that overall this (a) does not seem like a long-range strategic plan and (b) it isn't clear to me in the world we live today (vs. the world of 1964) that these changes, if implemented, will lead to an increase in membership.
My concern is that we do not get too grandiose in our thinking; over-invest in golf course, facilitiy, and amenity changes (improvements?); and end up with a net loss in membership rather than an increase. There are many reason why CCNC membership has declined from 1,100+ members to approx. 900. I have no indication that condition of our golf courses or clubhouse facilities is one of them. It is almost always a simple cost-benefit decision. We all want continuous improvement in CCNC golf courses, facilities, and amenities. However the cost-benefit ratio has to make sense for marginal and new members. That's the bottom line.
Do not approve until detailed long range plan, good estimate, comment period for members, and priorities set for future. There are more important things than so much $ for Dogwood.
Fully support this alternative
I believe the first priority should be to address the functional, structural and aesthetic problems with the clubhouse which are being ignored with the current proposal.
I hope the board receives this with an open mind. I have no problem with the golf course work. I think moving the pro shop is a terrific waste of money and the reason presented for the move do not make any sense at all. The half way house should be expanded, but putting a bar on a second floor above it sounds absurd.
Who brought the McMahon Group into the affairs of CCNC? The current membership has more than enough talent to handle every challenge economically and efficiently. ?ershipgipaffairs of CCNC
We are so glad some people are thinking clearly and positioning some questions that the current Board of Directors should not be able to ignore. The Club has changed in many ways since my father first came to Pinehurst in 1968 and joined CCNC. Although there certainly have been some positive developments in those almost-50 years, the current trends are not positive ones. What reputation will CCNC have in 50 more years?
I look forward to the establishment of a long range planning team. Give this team the authority to analyze the data collected by AHC and McMahon and produce a master plan by the end of 2015, influenced by the realities of comparable golf communities and the unique responsibility we have to our current membership.
Hopefully this will be met with an open mind.
We also should add a more detailed financial analyses regarding impact of interest rates and a more detailed IRR/cash flow impact
I feel the board will do what they want to do regardless. Sinking 5 million into Dogwood is the least of our concerns. I have no confidence in the board to make the right decision for my family or the future of the club.
Given the level of investment needed at CCNC, a well thought out plan is crucial. A well thought out funding strategy is also crucial. We support making the necessary and needed improvements at CCNC to keep it a top tier and relevant Country Club. We are also willing to pay our share to get it done.
I support this petition wholeheartedly! We must listen to the committe who researched all of the issues over a period of months.
I feel without strong amenities the value of my home will decline over time as have the club.
I agree. Planning is essential to the continued relevance of CCNC. I would suggest that we not deal in any details at his time. They can be dealt with during the strategic planning portion of the long range plan.
I agree
AGREE 100%