So the language in this is about permission...and that (male) leaders ultimately still have the power. This whole ideology is couched in misogyny and patriarchy of Kali Yuga. Even the fact that there needs to be this type of petition signifies a deep lacking in ISKCON. So many male-bodied "leaders" have betrayed and abused their followers. How could women do worse...? Let's try not to repeat the same mistakes from the past.
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Nandini Kishori dd
7 years ago
Hare Krishna!
PAMHO AGTSP.
As Srila Prabhupada said to mother Rukmini, even women should become Gurus. I am inspired by HG Urmila devi's classes and I feel that she is as qualified as some of the exalted Gurus in ISKCON. It is unfortunate that her gender is her only disqualification. Even if people against this argument propose that only few women were Gurus in Vaishnava history, probably 100 Gurus are mentioned in SB and CC. Is every man devotee who is granted sanyaas at that level?
I understand there are many other logistics that come up. Even Lord Caitanya had Madhavi devi dasi as a confidential associate, and he had only 3 other male confidential associates!!
However, if prediction is that entire world will be Krishna Conscious in this golden age, it is imperative that women be Gurus. Srila Prabhupada gave brahmin initiation to women and he made 5,000+ disciples. Now imagine making entire world Krishna conscious.
Making a male sanyasi give initiation and let a women sit there as a prominent Siksha Guru, sounds like a Ritvik initiation.
I would be in complete illusion, to think my opinion is better than opposing GBCs. I am sincerely praying that those who have not seen the Western world closely, read this perspective. If women should not be authority, please look closer at many western temples, management fails when men lead. If Manu samhita is correct, then no women should be awarded brahmins.
We see Lord Caitanya did not go close to King Prataprudra, however, we have Srila Prabhupada contact PM Indira Gandhi multiple times.
United we stand to please Srila Prabhupada. So what to speak of Manu Samhita, Srila Prabhupada did not follow two guidelines laid in Caitanya Caritamrita.
Suniti, however, being a woman, and specifically his mother, could not become Dhruva Maharaja’s diksa-guru.” (Bhag. 4.12.32). YES, but in comparison with Narada Muni in Satya Yuga! Which ISKCON male Guru is a Narada muni? And are we in satya yuga?
Guys, Sarvopadhi vinirmu
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Anna Johansson
7 years ago
This petition is a no brainer. Of course qualified vaisnavis should be able to give diksa. It would greatly enhance the preaching and attraction of ISCKON.
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Dharmapala das
7 years ago
Brasil
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Recha Grover
7 years ago
Rukmini devi dasi , Canada
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Gaura Sundara das
7 years ago
It's authentic and according to sastra,also it is broad minded and practical solution
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Caruma Guerreiro
7 years ago
Apoio
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Luiz Otoni
7 years ago
Lomaharshana dasa (HDG).
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Priscila
7 years ago
Por mais mulheres nos representando.
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Yamuna
7 years ago
Yes I agree
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Guilherme
7 years ago
I support this petition, there are many good female devotees who are already like a samnyasi.
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Gledson Arruda
7 years ago
Gledson Arruda, Brazil
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Gayatri devi dasi
7 years ago
Supporting the posposal
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Sankarsana Das
7 years ago
Here’s a video which explains in detail according to sastra and Prabhupada’s instructions why only siddha or perfected women can become diksa gurus. Going against sastra has catastrophic results stated in the verse sruti smrti puranadi
pancaratra-vid him-vina
aikantiki harer bhakti
utpatayaiva kalpate
https://youtu.be/yYZ6PgBzHIw
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Muralidhara
7 years ago
Concordo plenamente que as mulheres devam ser gurus. Independente do sexo cada um é livre para seguir sua natureza e tem total capacidade para tal posição espiritual
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Lalita Shanti
7 years ago
Россия
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Krsnaloka devi dasi
7 years ago
Yes people want to know why women are not gurus if we say we are not our bodies
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Lalita Darsana
7 years ago
The best, this is evolucion in our society, more people agree to us. Good! Incredible! Wonderful! Jaya Radhe! Thanks.
I vote yes for women guru
So the language in this is about permission...and that (male) leaders ultimately still have the power. This whole ideology is couched in misogyny and patriarchy of Kali Yuga. Even the fact that there needs to be this type of petition signifies a deep lacking in ISKCON. So many male-bodied "leaders" have betrayed and abused their followers. How could women do worse...? Let's try not to repeat the same mistakes from the past.
Hare Krishna! PAMHO AGTSP. As Srila Prabhupada said to mother Rukmini, even women should become Gurus. I am inspired by HG Urmila devi's classes and I feel that she is as qualified as some of the exalted Gurus in ISKCON. It is unfortunate that her gender is her only disqualification. Even if people against this argument propose that only few women were Gurus in Vaishnava history, probably 100 Gurus are mentioned in SB and CC. Is every man devotee who is granted sanyaas at that level? I understand there are many other logistics that come up. Even Lord Caitanya had Madhavi devi dasi as a confidential associate, and he had only 3 other male confidential associates!! However, if prediction is that entire world will be Krishna Conscious in this golden age, it is imperative that women be Gurus. Srila Prabhupada gave brahmin initiation to women and he made 5,000+ disciples. Now imagine making entire world Krishna conscious. Making a male sanyasi give initiation and let a women sit there as a prominent Siksha Guru, sounds like a Ritvik initiation. I would be in complete illusion, to think my opinion is better than opposing GBCs. I am sincerely praying that those who have not seen the Western world closely, read this perspective. If women should not be authority, please look closer at many western temples, management fails when men lead. If Manu samhita is correct, then no women should be awarded brahmins. We see Lord Caitanya did not go close to King Prataprudra, however, we have Srila Prabhupada contact PM Indira Gandhi multiple times. United we stand to please Srila Prabhupada. So what to speak of Manu Samhita, Srila Prabhupada did not follow two guidelines laid in Caitanya Caritamrita. Suniti, however, being a woman, and specifically his mother, could not become Dhruva Maharaja’s diksa-guru.” (Bhag. 4.12.32). YES, but in comparison with Narada Muni in Satya Yuga! Which ISKCON male Guru is a Narada muni? And are we in satya yuga? Guys, Sarvopadhi vinirmu
This petition is a no brainer. Of course qualified vaisnavis should be able to give diksa. It would greatly enhance the preaching and attraction of ISCKON.
Brasil
Rukmini devi dasi , Canada
It's authentic and according to sastra,also it is broad minded and practical solution
Apoio
Lomaharshana dasa (HDG).
Por mais mulheres nos representando.
Yes I agree
I support this petition, there are many good female devotees who are already like a samnyasi.
Gledson Arruda, Brazil
Supporting the posposal
Here’s a video which explains in detail according to sastra and Prabhupada’s instructions why only siddha or perfected women can become diksa gurus. Going against sastra has catastrophic results stated in the verse sruti smrti puranadi pancaratra-vid him-vina aikantiki harer bhakti utpatayaiva kalpate https://youtu.be/yYZ6PgBzHIw
Concordo plenamente que as mulheres devam ser gurus. Independente do sexo cada um é livre para seguir sua natureza e tem total capacidade para tal posição espiritual
Россия
Yes people want to know why women are not gurus if we say we are not our bodies
The best, this is evolucion in our society, more people agree to us. Good! Incredible! Wonderful! Jaya Radhe! Thanks.
Главное разумный подход.