The board just confirmed the pickleball guest program is being scrapped and the tennis court conversion project is off the table. I grew up playing on those courts and I am relieved we kept our home club for the people who actually live here. Thank you for staying loud with …
September 1, 2022
Final supporters
Dear fellow Homeowners of Lake Forest II,
To introduce ourselves, we are longtime members of the HOA Lake Forest II and are using this way to make you aware of an issue we recently discovered at our Sun & Sail club.
In short, our HOA is selling membership cards for $30 a month to non-LF2-members to enter our Sun & Sail club and play pickleball. These guest-membership cards are even offered with a discount when purchased for 6 months - for a monthly price of $25.
No sponsoring member has to be present upon entry to our club during open play hours, as long as there is one member on the court.
These guests are supposed to only use the pickleball courts, but their whereabouts cannot be controlled once inside the club.
The pickleball community claims to need more courts because their existing 8 courts, which were converted from tennis courts about 2 years ago, are now supposedly overcrowded.
However, any waiting time to play pickleball is due to this guest-membership program that is unique to pickleball. What if one would introduce such a program for basketball or Volleyball, the gym, or the pools?
Now pickleball wants to convert additional tennis courts to pickleball courts for the benefit of non-members and at the expense of the HOA as a whole. Estimation for the conversion project is projected at $ 50,000. Not to mention, this will continue the dilution of our membership privileges and overcrowding of the parking lot.
There is a big question about the insurance risk this pickleball guest-membership program poses to our HOA as well.
Since we are selling membership cards to non-members, our HOA might not be considered a non-profit organization anymore. That could open a huge liability risk for all of us homeowners, in case of a lawsuit.
In addition, the Sun & Sail Club would have to meet the requirements of the American Disability Act and big upgrades of our facilities would need to happen.
The Sun & Sail Club is for us homeowners and their guests, not the general public.
We are therefore putting a motion on the floor of the board of directors to revert the unique pickleball guest-membership program back to the standard guest policy that is valid for all of us.
We need your support for this motion.
We kindly ask you, homeowner of the HOA Lake Forest II, to file your name and digital signature in support of this motion to the board of directors.
Thank you very much for your support!
Updates
June 26, 2022
Seeing 500 signatures on this petition reminds me that I am certainly not the only neighbor frustrated by these outsiders crowding our private club. Thank you for recognizing that our shared spaces in Lake Forest II should be reserved for those of us who actually live here.
Reached 500 supporters
June 26, 2022
June 25, 2022
Seeing so many neighbors speak up against selling access to our private club facilities hits home because I remember when Sun and Sail was a quiet space for our community. This momentum proves that I am not the only one concerned about the future of our club. We have gained real traction and I am grateful to everyone who recognizes that we must protect our amenities for those who actually pay to live here.
Reached 100 supporters
June 25, 2022
11 Comments
Why am I paying $76.oo a month to use the facilities, when I can use it for $25.00 a month .00
According to Lake Forest II MHOA: "The Association does offer a monthly pickleball guest pass that MEMBERS can purchase for their SPONSORED guests." "These pickleball pass-holders are guests of members. We are a private facility and a guest CANNOT purchase a pass." Lastly, if you do not represent the Sun & Sail Club, it is disingenuous to present yourselves as (Sun&Sail Club) in your email. Thank you.
As a homeowner and pay monthly homeowner fees to use our facilities, I do not feel it is proper that the public can use our facilities. This should be used exclusively for the residents of the Sun and Sail Club. If a homeowner wants to bring a guest, that is a different situation, but our facilities should NOT be open for public use WITHOUT the homeowner. This is why we chose to live in the community and use the facilities that our dues goes for. If someone from the public falls or gets hurt, we are financially liable. Please make sure to keep our amenities PRIVATE and used by the Sun and Sail residents.
Then why dont they have said member be there and sign them in like everything else and have them pay 3 bucks.
Who is to stop anyone from going to the pool after playing pickleball?? Or not going to pickleball and just using the rest of the facilities?? I already have seen this happen! We need to stop this
If that were true, then any member of the HOA could bring them in as a guest. Why would there even be a need for membership cards if the sponsor was present, and could just bring them in as a guest ?
Perhaps you can be more specific. Truth is important. So what is the policy as explained to you for the pricing? Is $30 incorrect? Is $25 incorrect. Is the price the same for one month as opposed to six months? You are correct that a member sponsor is required, but that misses the point that this in not the policy for the workout facilities, the pools, the tennis court, the volleyball courts or the basketball courts. A guest should be allowed when they come with their host. If the gym for example only required a sponsor then I would expect overcrowding to be the result and then the HOA members would be disadvantaged. This issue was discussed in detail at the last board meeting which I attended. Were you there? Who exactly did you discuss this with (the front desk has many different employees that have a limited role). Perhaps you can be more specific before you make accusations regarding "correct information".
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The board just confirmed the pickleball guest program is being scrapped and the tennis court conversion project is off the table. I grew up playing on those courts and I am relieved we kept our home club for the people who actually live here. Thank you for staying loud with …
September 1, 2022
Final supporters
Dear fellow Homeowners of Lake Forest II,
To introduce ourselves, we are longtime members of the HOA Lake Forest II and are using this way to make you aware of an issue we recently discovered at our Sun & Sail club.
In short, our HOA is selling membership cards for $30 a month to non-LF2-members to enter our Sun & Sail club and play pickleball. These guest-membership cards are even offered with a discount when purchased for 6 months - for a monthly price of $25.
No sponsoring member has to be present upon entry to our club during open play hours, as long as there is one member on the court.
These guests are supposed to only use the pickleball courts, but their whereabouts cannot be controlled once inside the club.
The pickleball community claims to need more courts because their existing 8 courts, which were converted from tennis courts about 2 years ago, are now supposedly overcrowded.
However, any waiting time to play pickleball is due to this guest-membership program that is unique to pickleball. What if one would introduce such a program for basketball or Volleyball, the gym, or the pools?
Now pickleball wants to convert additional tennis courts to pickleball courts for the benefit of non-members and at the expense of the HOA as a whole. Estimation for the conversion project is projected at $ 50,000. Not to mention, this will continue the dilution of our membership privileges and overcrowding of the parking lot.
There is a big question about the insurance risk this pickleball guest-membership program poses to our HOA as well.
Since we are selling membership cards to non-members, our HOA might not be considered a non-profit organization anymore. That could open a huge liability risk for all of us homeowners, in case of a lawsuit.
In addition, the Sun & Sail Club would have to meet the requirements of the American Disability Act and big upgrades of our facilities would need to happen.
The Sun & Sail Club is for us homeowners and their guests, not the general public.
We are therefore putting a motion on the floor of the board of directors to revert the unique pickleball guest-membership program back to the standard guest policy that is valid for all of us.
We need your support for this motion.
We kindly ask you, homeowner of the HOA Lake Forest II, to file your name and digital signature in support of this motion to the board of directors.
Thank you very much for your support!
Updates
June 26, 2022
Seeing 500 signatures on this petition reminds me that I am certainly not the only neighbor frustrated by these outsiders crowding our private club. Thank you for recognizing that our shared spaces in Lake Forest II should be reserved for those of us who actually live here.
Reached 500 supporters
June 26, 2022
June 25, 2022
Seeing so many neighbors speak up against selling access to our private club facilities hits home because I remember when Sun and Sail was a quiet space for our community. This momentum proves that I am not the only one concerned about the future of our club. We have gained real traction and I am grateful to everyone who recognizes that we must protect our amenities for those who actually pay to live here.
Reached 100 supporters
June 25, 2022
11 Comments
Please protect the Homeowners Sail Club, and not make available the Facilities we pay for, to the public. Thank you, kindly
Why am I paying $76.oo a month to use the facilities, when I can use it for $25.00 a month .00
According to Lake Forest II MHOA: "The Association does offer a monthly pickleball guest pass that MEMBERS can purchase for their SPONSORED guests." "These pickleball pass-holders are guests of members. We are a private facility and a guest CANNOT purchase a pass." Lastly, if you do not represent the Sun & Sail Club, it is disingenuous to present yourselves as (Sun&Sail Club) in your email. Thank you.
As a homeowner and pay monthly homeowner fees to use our facilities, I do not feel it is proper that the public can use our facilities. This should be used exclusively for the residents of the Sun and Sail Club. If a homeowner wants to bring a guest, that is a different situation, but our facilities should NOT be open for public use WITHOUT the homeowner. This is why we chose to live in the community and use the facilities that our dues goes for. If someone from the public falls or gets hurt, we are financially liable. Please make sure to keep our amenities PRIVATE and used by the Sun and Sail residents.
Then why dont they have said member be there and sign them in like everything else and have them pay 3 bucks.
Who is to stop anyone from going to the pool after playing pickleball?? Or not going to pickleball and just using the rest of the facilities?? I already have seen this happen! We need to stop this
If that were true, then any member of the HOA could bring them in as a guest. Why would there even be a need for membership cards if the sponsor was present, and could just bring them in as a guest ?
Perhaps you can be more specific. Truth is important. So what is the policy as explained to you for the pricing? Is $30 incorrect? Is $25 incorrect. Is the price the same for one month as opposed to six months? You are correct that a member sponsor is required, but that misses the point that this in not the policy for the workout facilities, the pools, the tennis court, the volleyball courts or the basketball courts. A guest should be allowed when they come with their host. If the gym for example only required a sponsor then I would expect overcrowding to be the result and then the HOA members would be disadvantaged. This issue was discussed in detail at the last board meeting which I attended. Were you there? Who exactly did you discuss this with (the front desk has many different employees that have a limited role). Perhaps you can be more specific before you make accusations regarding "correct information".
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