ESB make nearly €500million every year. The EV program is supported by funding from Europe. This charging payment plan will make Ireland the most expensive country in the world to access a public EV charging infrastructure. Its a great little country we have here for semi state agencies to boost their profits by monopolising the EV service and turning ON the payments to the Max. EV owners must hold out against this gun to the head announcement.
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David Gascon
10 years ago
It is widely accepted that it takes approximately 30 minutes to charge a Nissan Leaf from 0 to 80% charge. The Nissan Leaf has a total capacity of 24 kWh. If we take an average price of electricity of 14 c/kWh, the cost for the fast charge is 9c/min. See calculations below:
Time (min. for 80% Charge Fast Charge) 30
Charge % after 30 Min on a Fast Charge 80%
Charge Capacity Total kWh Nissan Leaf 24
Average Cost per €/kWh € 0.140
Cost to charge to 80% € 2.69
Cost per minute Fast Charge € 0.09
I am bewildered were your costs of 30 c/min comes for a fast charge. The Fast charge infrastructure is key to the development of EV as you need to avail of it in any trip over 150 km. I don't have any issue to pay for it but at a fair price.
Most of the fast charges are deployed in petrol stations. And the petrol station owners made most of the revenue in the shop not on the actual fuel, this is also a known fact. The time it takes to charge the car you are captive client and 9 times out of 10 you end up spending money in the shop.
I am extremely concern of the recent news and will consider to revert back to an ICE vehicle if this is not properly thought.
May I remind that Ireland has a very challenging energy efficiency target and it is especially behind in the transport sector.
Concern EV User
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David Smith
10 years ago
Have just cancelled my 2016 Nissan leaf......don't mind paying for a charge but not at that price.Thanks Ecars
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Noel Whelan
10 years ago
ESB should have waited until their full range of pricing plans were finalised before bringing in this charge to give people options. Also the charging of per minute rates do not make sense, surely per KWh rate makes sense. You should be charged for the energy you use.
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Eric Paquin
10 years ago
The current planned fees are completely ridiculous. Way to go ESB to try to kill the EV market! I would certainly consider a move back to ICE if there is no longer any savings...
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frank o sullivan
10 years ago
One thing that I don't understand is the silence from the EV manufacturers Nissan for example are offering free changing for life in the USA plus Tesla are doing the same they want us to buy their cars but its goodbye after that and well as semi state company's always do in this country is keep screwing the captive audience how I understand why the web summit went to Portugal this government has no forward thinking its all about what they squeeze form the taxpayers fair play guys
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Brigitte Morris
10 years ago
While I agree in general that eventually charges will have to be applied, I cannot understand the reason for charging a flat fee of €17 a month, even to people who may never use public charging points.
I also feel that it is far too early to start applying charges; it should instead be agreed to start charges once sales of EVs hit a certain number
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Grainne Curley
10 years ago
Bought my leaf in Aug this year & now ESB charging disgraceful rates especially for fast charging.
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Nick Satta
10 years ago
This proposal in my opinion can only have one intention and it is exactly to kill EV sales and push people away from EV (cleaner environment). The EU is subsidizing the EV initiative and we should report what ESB is trying to do here.
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Caiman Cahill
10 years ago
Like many EV owners I can manage my commute by charging at home but am reliant on FCPs for very occasional longer journeys. I'm not prepared to pay E17 per month for the privilege of being charged over six times the standard unit price in the event that I might need to use the public infrastructure. This move by ESB Networks will have a negative impact on EV take-up next year and is therefore contrary to current Government policy. It's simply not good enough to say that more options will be offered some time next year. Most people considering a new car purchase in 2016 make their decisions now based on the information available today.
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Peter M
10 years ago
In the process of deciding if a Leaf would be an option for our next new car. 95% of our journeys are local. Access to the FCP is essential for the 5% of journeys beyond the range of EV. If it is the case that I can only use the FCP stations by paying €204 per annum then it seems excessive.
I had just about convinced my wife about the benefits of an EV and had all my facts and figures worked out.
The uncertainty about what will happen after April 2016 and rumours that night rate meters may be restricted is making me think twice about my decision.
I'll probably go for a 141/142 small diesel instead now. The tax will be €120 instead of the €120 + €204 for the Leaf (the 17 per month just seems like a tax to me!)
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Mark Foley
10 years ago
Not currently an Ecar owner but actively considering. Flat rate lazy charging such as this would discourage me. It will do one of two things, push people off the network completely or overload the network as people attempt to get value for money. Charging structure for the fast chargers also shows absolutely no thought went into the rate. Delay in showing other charging structures is baffling, "commercial sensitivity" excuse is nonsense as there is only one incumbent supplier. The chare should be per KW, flat charge for slow chargers, slight premium for fast chargers.
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Ray Meehan
10 years ago
Absoulity agree with your comments Peter.I love the car do most of my charging at home and only use the network rarely so this would make the whole experment on my behalf just too expenseve.It puts the long drives out of question.I proberly will give the car back and take the hit on my trial.Charge per khw hour at a resonable rate and I will change my mind and be happy enough.
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Damien Byrne
10 years ago
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Shocking, thought this petition was a windup but having just spoken to a local Nissan garage I'm stunned to find that the charging structure detail is real. Based on this I'll be buying a small format diesel in 2016, not a leaf as planned.
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Gearoid Dullaghan
10 years ago
Typical Irish shortsightedness; shameful!
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Mary Mc Coy
10 years ago
Just bought my Nissan leaf in July 2015 and with this news of the charges being introduced will be the biggest regret, should have stuck with a diesel. standing charge of €17 pm what a joke :-(
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Carol H
10 years ago
No communication nor joined up thinking. Scandalous.
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Fiona
10 years ago
We were about to put our order in for a leaf but this unfair charging plan has put an end to that.
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Emmet Galvin
10 years ago
Outrageous
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martin o'grady
10 years ago
Charging per time?
Are they crazy?
Another fiasco like Irish Water.
Maybe social protection could give us e100 for environmental protection.
ESB make nearly €500million every year. The EV program is supported by funding from Europe. This charging payment plan will make Ireland the most expensive country in the world to access a public EV charging infrastructure. Its a great little country we have here for semi state agencies to boost their profits by monopolising the EV service and turning ON the payments to the Max. EV owners must hold out against this gun to the head announcement.
It is widely accepted that it takes approximately 30 minutes to charge a Nissan Leaf from 0 to 80% charge. The Nissan Leaf has a total capacity of 24 kWh. If we take an average price of electricity of 14 c/kWh, the cost for the fast charge is 9c/min. See calculations below: Time (min. for 80% Charge Fast Charge) 30 Charge % after 30 Min on a Fast Charge 80% Charge Capacity Total kWh Nissan Leaf 24 Average Cost per €/kWh € 0.140 Cost to charge to 80% € 2.69 Cost per minute Fast Charge € 0.09 I am bewildered were your costs of 30 c/min comes for a fast charge. The Fast charge infrastructure is key to the development of EV as you need to avail of it in any trip over 150 km. I don't have any issue to pay for it but at a fair price. Most of the fast charges are deployed in petrol stations. And the petrol station owners made most of the revenue in the shop not on the actual fuel, this is also a known fact. The time it takes to charge the car you are captive client and 9 times out of 10 you end up spending money in the shop. I am extremely concern of the recent news and will consider to revert back to an ICE vehicle if this is not properly thought. May I remind that Ireland has a very challenging energy efficiency target and it is especially behind in the transport sector. Concern EV User
Have just cancelled my 2016 Nissan leaf......don't mind paying for a charge but not at that price.Thanks Ecars
ESB should have waited until their full range of pricing plans were finalised before bringing in this charge to give people options. Also the charging of per minute rates do not make sense, surely per KWh rate makes sense. You should be charged for the energy you use.
The current planned fees are completely ridiculous. Way to go ESB to try to kill the EV market! I would certainly consider a move back to ICE if there is no longer any savings...
One thing that I don't understand is the silence from the EV manufacturers Nissan for example are offering free changing for life in the USA plus Tesla are doing the same they want us to buy their cars but its goodbye after that and well as semi state company's always do in this country is keep screwing the captive audience how I understand why the web summit went to Portugal this government has no forward thinking its all about what they squeeze form the taxpayers fair play guys
While I agree in general that eventually charges will have to be applied, I cannot understand the reason for charging a flat fee of €17 a month, even to people who may never use public charging points. I also feel that it is far too early to start applying charges; it should instead be agreed to start charges once sales of EVs hit a certain number
Bought my leaf in Aug this year & now ESB charging disgraceful rates especially for fast charging.
This proposal in my opinion can only have one intention and it is exactly to kill EV sales and push people away from EV (cleaner environment). The EU is subsidizing the EV initiative and we should report what ESB is trying to do here.
Like many EV owners I can manage my commute by charging at home but am reliant on FCPs for very occasional longer journeys. I'm not prepared to pay E17 per month for the privilege of being charged over six times the standard unit price in the event that I might need to use the public infrastructure. This move by ESB Networks will have a negative impact on EV take-up next year and is therefore contrary to current Government policy. It's simply not good enough to say that more options will be offered some time next year. Most people considering a new car purchase in 2016 make their decisions now based on the information available today.
In the process of deciding if a Leaf would be an option for our next new car. 95% of our journeys are local. Access to the FCP is essential for the 5% of journeys beyond the range of EV. If it is the case that I can only use the FCP stations by paying €204 per annum then it seems excessive. I had just about convinced my wife about the benefits of an EV and had all my facts and figures worked out. The uncertainty about what will happen after April 2016 and rumours that night rate meters may be restricted is making me think twice about my decision. I'll probably go for a 141/142 small diesel instead now. The tax will be €120 instead of the €120 + €204 for the Leaf (the 17 per month just seems like a tax to me!)
Not currently an Ecar owner but actively considering. Flat rate lazy charging such as this would discourage me. It will do one of two things, push people off the network completely or overload the network as people attempt to get value for money. Charging structure for the fast chargers also shows absolutely no thought went into the rate. Delay in showing other charging structures is baffling, "commercial sensitivity" excuse is nonsense as there is only one incumbent supplier. The chare should be per KW, flat charge for slow chargers, slight premium for fast chargers.
Absoulity agree with your comments Peter.I love the car do most of my charging at home and only use the network rarely so this would make the whole experment on my behalf just too expenseve.It puts the long drives out of question.I proberly will give the car back and take the hit on my trial.Charge per khw hour at a resonable rate and I will change my mind and be happy enough.
Shocking, thought this petition was a windup but having just spoken to a local Nissan garage I'm stunned to find that the charging structure detail is real. Based on this I'll be buying a small format diesel in 2016, not a leaf as planned.
Typical Irish shortsightedness; shameful!
Just bought my Nissan leaf in July 2015 and with this news of the charges being introduced will be the biggest regret, should have stuck with a diesel. standing charge of €17 pm what a joke :-(
No communication nor joined up thinking. Scandalous.
We were about to put our order in for a leaf but this unfair charging plan has put an end to that.
Outrageous
Charging per time? Are they crazy? Another fiasco like Irish Water. Maybe social protection could give us e100 for environmental protection.