Status: Closed — this petition is no longer accepting signatures.
Final supporters
Many of you, I am sure, saw the petition we were gathering votes for to appeal a decision regarding two team Policy Teams.
John Mark Poter andGraham Stacyhelped point out a flawed calculation however.
Apparently, 44 teams attended the Midlands Qualifier, not 45 (verified by looking back at postings)... that number was enough to make the difference between the teams no longer a literal tie, but a definite margin.
As a result, I do not feel there is a need to "change rules" or anything. The point of the motion to appeal Swathwood/Walenceus going to Nationals was pointing out the tie between them and Caeillo/Hersey, but seeing as that was based on slightly false data, I can no longer support that movement.
Thank you to those who were willing to sign it, and I apologize for making steps in that direction without completely verifying the data in question.
Finally, I would like to note that all of the actions done were in no way meant to undermine or question the authority of NCFCA, but merely meant to promote and foster the mission of NCFCA, but that is also one of consistency. I am in support of who the NCFCA has invited to Nationals, and wish them all the best of luck!
Thanks guys
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May 1, 2014
Seeing the overwhelming response lately has left me truly stunned. I am incredibly grateful for the time everyone took to engage with this, even though I realize now that my initial premise was based on an error. This journey belongs to all of you who showed such passion, and I sincerely apologize for the mistake on my end.
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I don't know that Lauren and Sara intended to attend anyway, but they deserve to be given the option. I realize that there are only a few slots that can be handed out, but Region VIII's slots were significantly limited anyway (from 9 last year to 6 this year) even though it hardly changed in sized. This is Both team's last year, and should we really leave them with this memory of the NCFCA? They both did just enough to get a slot and they deserve it. As Tucker said, I don't want to take away someone else's slot, but this is something that should be changed.
Guys, we messed up . . . Graham caught it. Columbia had 44 teams, not 46, which took Swathwood/Walenceus's total from 37.833333 to 37.16667. I would propose that this petition be deleted. If a tie-breaker had been present, this would be a legitimate petition, but unfortunately it is not.
For the record, because the website won't let me do it, I'd like to redact my signature from the petition.
It's also interesting to me that this website doesn't let you remove your name from a petition or delete your account unless you email them and ask them to do it...poor design in my opinion. Before anyone else signs this, take a moment and ask, "What information do we have? Who gave that information?" Don't jump to signing anything.
So just to clarify, these are not official calculations whatsoever. I believe they are calculations done by competitors with little to no experience with or knowledge of information necessary to accurately calculate at large points. Don't rely on something being correct simply because someone says it is.
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Status: Closed — this petition is no longer accepting signatures.
Final supporters
Many of you, I am sure, saw the petition we were gathering votes for to appeal a decision regarding two team Policy Teams.
John Mark Poter andGraham Stacyhelped point out a flawed calculation however.
Apparently, 44 teams attended the Midlands Qualifier, not 45 (verified by looking back at postings)... that number was enough to make the difference between the teams no longer a literal tie, but a definite margin.
As a result, I do not feel there is a need to "change rules" or anything. The point of the motion to appeal Swathwood/Walenceus going to Nationals was pointing out the tie between them and Caeillo/Hersey, but seeing as that was based on slightly false data, I can no longer support that movement.
Thank you to those who were willing to sign it, and I apologize for making steps in that direction without completely verifying the data in question.
Finally, I would like to note that all of the actions done were in no way meant to undermine or question the authority of NCFCA, but merely meant to promote and foster the mission of NCFCA, but that is also one of consistency. I am in support of who the NCFCA has invited to Nationals, and wish them all the best of luck!
Thanks guys
Updates
May 1, 2014
Seeing the overwhelming response lately has left me truly stunned. I am incredibly grateful for the time everyone took to engage with this, even though I realize now that my initial premise was based on an error. This journey belongs to all of you who showed such passion, and I sincerely apologize for the mistake on my end.
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Both teams are very capable, but slots cannot be created out of thin air. Only a finite amount exists, no matter the margin between teams competing for the slots. The single speaker point doesn't change the fact that giving both teams a slot would take away a slot from another team who has just as a legitimate claim to the slot as do the respective R8 teams. I can support changing the system to deal with something like this, but I can't support taking a slot away simply because we view it as being unfair.
I don't know that Lauren and Sara intended to attend anyway, but they deserve to be given the option. I realize that there are only a few slots that can be handed out, but Region VIII's slots were significantly limited anyway (from 9 last year to 6 this year) even though it hardly changed in sized. This is Both team's last year, and should we really leave them with this memory of the NCFCA? They both did just enough to get a slot and they deserve it. As Tucker said, I don't want to take away someone else's slot, but this is something that should be changed.
Guys, we messed up . . . Graham caught it. Columbia had 44 teams, not 46, which took Swathwood/Walenceus's total from 37.833333 to 37.16667. I would propose that this petition be deleted. If a tie-breaker had been present, this would be a legitimate petition, but unfortunately it is not.
For the record, because the website won't let me do it, I'd like to redact my signature from the petition.
It's also interesting to me that this website doesn't let you remove your name from a petition or delete your account unless you email them and ask them to do it...poor design in my opinion. Before anyone else signs this, take a moment and ask, "What information do we have? Who gave that information?" Don't jump to signing anything.
So just to clarify, these are not official calculations whatsoever. I believe they are calculations done by competitors with little to no experience with or knowledge of information necessary to accurately calculate at large points. Don't rely on something being correct simply because someone says it is.
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Both teams are very capable, but slots cannot be created out of thin air. Only a finite amount exists, no matter the margin between teams competing for the slots. The single speaker point doesn't change the fact that giving both teams a slot would take away a slot from another team who has just as a legitimate claim to the slot as do the respective R8 teams. I can support changing the system to deal with something like this, but I can't support taking a slot away simply because we view it as being unfair.