Het doen van wetenschappelijk onderzoek is een belangrijke taak van de universiteiten, maar daarom moet het ook aantrekkelijk worden gemaakt.
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Anonymous
12 years ago
This will make sure many excellent master students will not pursue a career in academia.
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Aura Nugrowati
12 years ago
No to unnecessary experiments.
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Anonymous
12 years ago
het is een baan dus beloon als een baan. dit is korte termijn. wel pensioenbreuk, geen hypotheek te krijgen, geen cao. demotiverend en een baan/bedrijfsleven lonkt.
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Anonymous
12 years ago
Sad to see that everyone wants to cut money on the science and no body actually realizes how bad for society it is.
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Andrea Cimatoribus
12 years ago
One of the strongly attractive elements of Dutch research system are the above average working conditions. Making the working conditions worse may lead to short term savings, but is not a wise long-term policy nor a clever investment. It will just make more difficult to attract good students and scientists from abroad.
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Carlo Abate
12 years ago
One of the reasons why I chose to do my PhD in the Netherlands was exactly because I truly appreciated the fact that here it has the dignity of a real job. The fact that we pay taxes and we have social benefits make us feel an active part of the society instead of a weight, instead of feel considered like lazy people that don't want to work. It is not like that, and I think that the quality of reasearch will strongly decrease if this conditions would change.
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Lothar Smith
12 years ago
In a system that promotes intellectuality through continual exchanges increased hierarchy, through degradation of what is essentually a colleague to the status of student, can never be a good thing.
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Ruben van Bergen
12 years ago
PhD kandidaten doen in NL vaak het leeuwendeel van het onderzoek (met name data vergaren en analyseren). Dit is werk waarvoor het niet meer dan redelijk is dat zij een salaris ontvangen en worden behandeld als een werknemer. Daarnaast moet de minister zich afvragen of het een goed idee is om de mensen die het "veldwerk" doen slechter te gaan behandelen. Het laatste wat de wetenschap nodig heeft is nog meer druk op onderzoekers, zeker aan de onderkant waar de bottleneck qua carriereperspectieven het nauwst is. Dus stop deze race to the bottom en investeer liever in kwaliteit.
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Eveline mulder
12 years ago
Nee!!!!
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Rembrandt Koppelaar
12 years ago
De kwaliteit van het onderzoekswerk in Nederland ligt op hoog niveau dankzij een combinatie van 4-jarige PhD (ter vergelijking 3 jaar in de UK), veel tijd voor onderzoekswerk (lesgeven kan maar is geen benodigheid), en de vaste arbeid en daarmee inkomenspositie.
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Ramona Langanki
12 years ago
Less Phs, less quality research...
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Anonymous
12 years ago
Not good idea, will reduce quality in the research and affect international reputation of the universities. PhD study will become just formal. Many employers employing PhD students to save on costs and ensure quality of work.
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Anonymous
12 years ago
Ik val weer eens in een verbazing...
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JK Pisces
12 years ago
Echt weer een actie van de mensen die al op het op het pluche zitten en chronisch last hebben van korte termijn denken! Laten ze zelf eens wat inleveren.
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Filipe Freire
12 years ago
I endorse this petition. This current system is unquestinably one of the reasons why young Dutch scientists have such a high international reputation. It is a case to say, do not change a winning team.
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Francois Coppens
12 years ago
Serieus werk=serieus salaris.
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Benjamin Vis
12 years ago
While the system might be improved, this is one direction I doubt would represent or enable any of the improvements that would advance research and academia. I would almost add, especially for NON-Beta (and structurally undervalued and misrepresented and misunderstood) disciplines, this could well mean the start of an even stronger unwarranted demise. The employee status in many ways is very important, not least in the general support structure for the researcher and the research, but also for the very uncertain trajectory afterwards. In the UK one has the disadvantage of having to justify and explain ones activities and status during and after the PhD, which is not something to envy. Moreover, you would never have been a productive member of society, which doesn't reflect the contribution that is generally made by PhD candidates and amounts to a backlog compared to peers, which is hard to level over the years thereafter.
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Almar Kok
12 years ago
I'm dissatisfied with one sentence in the Dutch version of the petition, saying that "especially for beta-students" the government should support scientific talent. I see absolutely no reason why this should not apply equally to non-beta students. Please revise.
For the rest, I agree with this petition. At my university, the salary of a (not yet graduated!) student-assistant is already higher than the first-year PhD salary...
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Marina de Regt
12 years ago
I was a promotiestudent myself and know what the consequences are!
Het doen van wetenschappelijk onderzoek is een belangrijke taak van de universiteiten, maar daarom moet het ook aantrekkelijk worden gemaakt.
This will make sure many excellent master students will not pursue a career in academia.
No to unnecessary experiments.
het is een baan dus beloon als een baan. dit is korte termijn. wel pensioenbreuk, geen hypotheek te krijgen, geen cao. demotiverend en een baan/bedrijfsleven lonkt.
Sad to see that everyone wants to cut money on the science and no body actually realizes how bad for society it is.
One of the strongly attractive elements of Dutch research system are the above average working conditions. Making the working conditions worse may lead to short term savings, but is not a wise long-term policy nor a clever investment. It will just make more difficult to attract good students and scientists from abroad.
One of the reasons why I chose to do my PhD in the Netherlands was exactly because I truly appreciated the fact that here it has the dignity of a real job. The fact that we pay taxes and we have social benefits make us feel an active part of the society instead of a weight, instead of feel considered like lazy people that don't want to work. It is not like that, and I think that the quality of reasearch will strongly decrease if this conditions would change.
In a system that promotes intellectuality through continual exchanges increased hierarchy, through degradation of what is essentually a colleague to the status of student, can never be a good thing.
PhD kandidaten doen in NL vaak het leeuwendeel van het onderzoek (met name data vergaren en analyseren). Dit is werk waarvoor het niet meer dan redelijk is dat zij een salaris ontvangen en worden behandeld als een werknemer. Daarnaast moet de minister zich afvragen of het een goed idee is om de mensen die het "veldwerk" doen slechter te gaan behandelen. Het laatste wat de wetenschap nodig heeft is nog meer druk op onderzoekers, zeker aan de onderkant waar de bottleneck qua carriereperspectieven het nauwst is. Dus stop deze race to the bottom en investeer liever in kwaliteit.
Nee!!!!
De kwaliteit van het onderzoekswerk in Nederland ligt op hoog niveau dankzij een combinatie van 4-jarige PhD (ter vergelijking 3 jaar in de UK), veel tijd voor onderzoekswerk (lesgeven kan maar is geen benodigheid), en de vaste arbeid en daarmee inkomenspositie.
Less Phs, less quality research...
Not good idea, will reduce quality in the research and affect international reputation of the universities. PhD study will become just formal. Many employers employing PhD students to save on costs and ensure quality of work.
Ik val weer eens in een verbazing...
Echt weer een actie van de mensen die al op het op het pluche zitten en chronisch last hebben van korte termijn denken! Laten ze zelf eens wat inleveren.
I endorse this petition. This current system is unquestinably one of the reasons why young Dutch scientists have such a high international reputation. It is a case to say, do not change a winning team.
Serieus werk=serieus salaris.
While the system might be improved, this is one direction I doubt would represent or enable any of the improvements that would advance research and academia. I would almost add, especially for NON-Beta (and structurally undervalued and misrepresented and misunderstood) disciplines, this could well mean the start of an even stronger unwarranted demise. The employee status in many ways is very important, not least in the general support structure for the researcher and the research, but also for the very uncertain trajectory afterwards. In the UK one has the disadvantage of having to justify and explain ones activities and status during and after the PhD, which is not something to envy. Moreover, you would never have been a productive member of society, which doesn't reflect the contribution that is generally made by PhD candidates and amounts to a backlog compared to peers, which is hard to level over the years thereafter.
I'm dissatisfied with one sentence in the Dutch version of the petition, saying that "especially for beta-students" the government should support scientific talent. I see absolutely no reason why this should not apply equally to non-beta students. Please revise. For the rest, I agree with this petition. At my university, the salary of a (not yet graduated!) student-assistant is already higher than the first-year PhD salary...
I was a promotiestudent myself and know what the consequences are!