Wasted 2 years of my life. Looking back, 1 year is indeed enough, perhaps more for specialists and officer cadets. Also, increase wages for those that have signed on, if not for the ns conscripts. Efficiency is key. Don't waste the life of your young talents.
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Jason ,Lim
12 years ago
oh really? do we not have a credible airforce and navy- comprised of full professionals? NSF just make up of 34000 of the active soldiers in the land based army. Surely we can get sufficient army personnel by raising the salary to get professional troops. At the rate we are currently raising benefits of NS/NSmen, we are fast approaching the monetary payout of taxpayers dollars to professional soldiers. So why not just fully professionalize the remaining land forces already? One can argue that we cannot have sufficient manpower from our small pool of human resources. I say why don't we get a foreign legion and Gurkha component to our army?? Surely we have sufficient dollars for that.
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chen yueqiang
12 years ago
Its really waste of time to serve NS for 2 years. Should be shortened to a year. Some students were graduated from ITE for poly. When they've finished their poly life , they will be at a age of 21/22 . After serving NS , they are already 24 years old with no working experience at all. What if they want to further studies in universities? Another 3 years? They are already 27 years old when they enter the society, with no working experience at all. Pity for them.
Back to the topic, 3 months of BMT, 3 Months of vocation conversion and 6 months of operational conversion will be enough. If anyone willing to serve even longer , MINDEF can sign the contract with those who are willing to serve further.
Lets talk about the allowance , $500 is only just only an allowance, don't mention that it is a "pay". For those average families, $500 is still consider enough for them, but for those poor families. They have the responsibilities to earn living by themselves and help the family. How can they help the family with only $500, not even enough for themselves.
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Jonathan Ng
12 years ago
Shhh dont say PAP later they come your door find you ha
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Jonathan Ng
12 years ago
AGREED
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kopio
12 years ago
from the article below it is clear our dumb leaders fighting the last war from the last century and losing the next war by crippling our youths in 2 years of forced labour.
the next war will be with smart machine and FT that steal your food.
we are losing heavily on this front.
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Your Job Taught to Machines Puts Half U.S. Work at Risk
By Aki Ito Mar 12, 2014 12:01 PM GMT+0800 135 Comments Email
Source: Aethon Inc. via Bloomberg
Aethon Inc.’s self-navigating TUG robot transports soiled linens, drugs and meals in... Read More
Who needs an army of lawyers when you have a computer?
When Minneapolis attorney William Greene faced the task of combing through 1.3 million electronic documents in a recent case, he turned to a so-called smart computer program. Three associates selected relevant documents from a smaller sample, “teaching” their reasoning to the computer. The software’s algorithms then sorted the remaining material by importance.
“We were able to get the information we needed after reviewing only 2.3 percent of the documents,” said Greene, a Minneapolis-based partner at law firm Stinson Leonard Street LLP.
Full Coverage: Technology and the Economy
Artificial intelligence has arrived in the American workplace, spawning tools that replicate human judgments that were too complicated and subtle to distill into instructions for a computer. Algorithms that “learn” from past examples relieve engineers of the need to write out every command.
The advances, coupled with mobile robots wired with this intelligence, make it likely that occupations employing almost half of today’s U.S. workers, ranging from loan officers to cab drivers and real estate agents, become possible to automate in the next decade or two, according to a study done at the University of Oxford in the U.K.
Source: Aethon Inc. via Bloomberg
Artificial intelligence has arrived in the American workplace, spawning tools that... Read More
“These trans
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rockbottom
12 years ago
while USA stock market pushing to all time high , STI meader meaninglessly down.
this is because of lack of innovation in the Singapore economy and there is no new bull market generated very unlike the USA of facebook , tesla , biotech , google all new companies within 10 years.
while local males are conscripted to be slaves for SAF , the USA youths are thinking up of a brighter future for themselves and the world.
NS not only deprive our children of a better future, it is killing Sg and also make Singapore a parasite of the world instead of contributing its fair share of innovation.
March 12 (Bloomberg) -- Singapore’s shrinking brokerage
industry is set to get even smaller as trading restrictions
planned by regulators dent profits, according to a body that
represents individual brokers.
The average daily value of shares traded in the city, which
slumped 40 percent in the first two months of 2014 from a year
earlier, will decline further should rules be implemented that
include requiring collateral for some trades and shortening the
settlement period, said the Society of Remisiers, which
represents dealers who work entirely on commission. Singapore
Exchange Ltd. and the Monetary Authority of Singapore proposed
the changes after a penny-stock rout in October erased $6.9
billion in market value of three companies over three days.
“More people will leave the industry as they’ll get less
business,” Jimmy Ho, president of the Society of Remisiers,
said by phone. “Once they cut the settlement period, there will
be less speculative trading and it will drag overall volumes.”
The number of stockbrokers in Singapore fell 8.4 percent
percent to 3,973 at the end of last year from 4,336 in 2011,
according to data from the bourse, as the industry was buffeted
by declining trading volumes and commissions as well as
competition from online trading platforms. The city’s benchmark
Straits Times Index trailed all its major d
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gangster
12 years ago
anyone can become a billionare if he can exploit a mass of free labourers -- modern form slavery in NS system.
as the govt is so hopeless to take the easy solution by conscription FREE LABOUR , there is no need to pay them the highest pay of politicians anywhere in the world as their solution any retard can think up.
should sack the whole lot hopeless to cut costs and put a dummy in charge.
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wiki
12 years ago
USA president say NS is evil
=============
President of the United States (and five-star general during World War II) Dwight D. Eisenhower used the term in his Farewell Address to the Nation on January 17, 1961:
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.
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Ho low
12 years ago
Laurence Lien basically say NS is the biggest terrorist attack on Sg future.
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New mindset needed to nurture entrepreneurship
The key to success in encouraging innovation and entrepreneurship in Singapore is to change the way the country nurtures its young.
By Laurence Lien, Published The Straits Times, 1 Mar 2014
SOME time back, I visited an ex-classmate at a tech giant’s headquarters in Silicon Valley. He had done extremely well for himself, having been one of the company’s first employees.
He told me that the Singapore Government had been trying to woo him back to Singapore for years. But he wondered why Singapore was going for people who had made it big, like him, since he no longer had the fire to generate new technological breakthroughs. Instead, he argued, Singapore should be wooing the young staff in his company. They were bright, hungry and driven.
Singapore’s problems
UNFORTUNATELY, he felt that Singapore had two huge problems working against it. One, it was too expensive for these young, modestly paid innovators to afford the lifestyle they were accustomed to. Two, Singapore lacked the creativity culture and an ecosystem to support innovation.
For years, Singapore has been trying to make its economic model more knowledge- and innovation-driven. We have also been heavily promoting entrepreneurship. But have things really changed?
There is some cause for optimism. Singapore was ranked 10th among 60 countries in the Global Entrepreneurship and Development Index (GEDI) 2012.
We scored extremely high on aspirations as our ecosystem does encourage new ventures to grow.
On other measures, though, the prospects look less sanguine. According to the Gedi report, Singaporeans lack the ability to perceive opportunities. It suggests that they also lack confidence in their abilities and that endeavours here are more imitative than innovative.
In 2009, the Singapore Competitiveness Report released by the Lee Kuan Yew School
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db
12 years ago
we not paid for 2 years doing NS.
But the dbs ceo never do NS still can get Singpaore citizenship and worst of all his annual pay 9 million dollars.
This shows the govt con us into doing NS for nothing.
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Carl
12 years ago
Facebook is less than 10 years old but it faces obsolesense from new competition like whatsapp.
If Facebook is a human being it would be 80 year old. On the way out.
This is call TECHONOLOGY TIME.
So some people may say NS is only 2 years but in TECHNOLOGY it is actually 20 years.
In other words when our army boys come out of NS at age 20 they are already 40 year old in technology time.
NS is making Singapore worthlessly uncompetitive in the world market.
Facebook is an online social networking service. Its name comes from a colloquialism for the directory given to students at some American universities. Wikipedia
Stock price: FB (NASDAQ) US$70.92 +2.33 (+3.40%)
24 Feb 4:00 pm GMT-5 - Disclaimer
Founded: February 4, 2004, Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States
Headquarters: Menlo Park, CA, United States of America
CEO: Mark Zuckerberg
Founders: Mark Zuckerberg, Dustin Moskovitz, Eduardo Saverin, Andrew McCollum, Chris Hughes
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people
12 years ago
so now pioneer generation who serve NS finally get their little rewards after waiting their entire life.
for the current "too late" generation , by the time they get their rewards in 50 years time , the NS PONZI scheme will have long burst and Singapore would be bankrupt.
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C.H.CHUA
12 years ago
Well said. Sg have so many FT, and which ctry will want to invade sg and jeopardise the safety of their own pple.. A land with no resource. Unless our govt offended some ctry. I think we need more allies rather than asking more of our own pple to go for reservist.
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rain
12 years ago
whatapp founder is also anti-NS.
Singapore is kill by NS as innavators are all anti-NS type.
Tan cheng bock also warn that boring and useless SAF regulars are parachuet into govt.
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A self-described trouble-maker at school, Koum had a job sweeping the floors in a grocery store. After his mother was diagnosed with cancer, they got by on disability payments, Forbes reported.
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Arthur Siew
12 years ago
To show an act of defiance, I urge everyone to announce their NRIC !!!!
S8812371i
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oscar
12 years ago
12 Years a Slave is a 2013 British-American historical drama film and an adaptation of the 1853 memoir of the same name by Solomon Northup, a New York State-born free negro who was kidnapped in Washington, D.C. in 1841 and sold into slavery. He worked on plantations in the state of Louisiana for twelve years before his release. The first scholarly edition of Northup's memoir, co-edited in 1968 by Sue Eakin and Joseph Logsdon, carefully retraced and validated the account and concluded it to be accurate
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oscar
12 years ago
I just regain my freedom on my 40 th birthday.
as a SAF slave for 2.5 years of NS and 20 years of RT
I curse SAF and whoever in charge there.
P
Prof tan
12 years ago
recently I read in news that a sportman is exempted from NS as he is talented.
that that means the rest of Singaporeans are untalented and stupid and their career not important.
Who on earth are the PAP and govt to play GOD and annoint who is to be exempted and who is not so daring to imprison gods creations against their will and suppress them from developing to their full potential ?
IF they are not punish on earth for these sins then a painfull helll awaits them.
GOD FURY IS ON YOU !
K
Kin Lian Tan
· petition starter
12 years ago
I urge all Singaporeans who signed this Petition, to send an email to all your friends, relatives and colleagues, to urge them to sign the Petition. We need 10,000 signatures to show to the Government that there is strong support for this Petition. Do your part now. Help to achieve this target.
Wasted 2 years of my life. Looking back, 1 year is indeed enough, perhaps more for specialists and officer cadets. Also, increase wages for those that have signed on, if not for the ns conscripts. Efficiency is key. Don't waste the life of your young talents.
oh really? do we not have a credible airforce and navy- comprised of full professionals? NSF just make up of 34000 of the active soldiers in the land based army. Surely we can get sufficient army personnel by raising the salary to get professional troops. At the rate we are currently raising benefits of NS/NSmen, we are fast approaching the monetary payout of taxpayers dollars to professional soldiers. So why not just fully professionalize the remaining land forces already? One can argue that we cannot have sufficient manpower from our small pool of human resources. I say why don't we get a foreign legion and Gurkha component to our army?? Surely we have sufficient dollars for that.
Its really waste of time to serve NS for 2 years. Should be shortened to a year. Some students were graduated from ITE for poly. When they've finished their poly life , they will be at a age of 21/22 . After serving NS , they are already 24 years old with no working experience at all. What if they want to further studies in universities? Another 3 years? They are already 27 years old when they enter the society, with no working experience at all. Pity for them. Back to the topic, 3 months of BMT, 3 Months of vocation conversion and 6 months of operational conversion will be enough. If anyone willing to serve even longer , MINDEF can sign the contract with those who are willing to serve further. Lets talk about the allowance , $500 is only just only an allowance, don't mention that it is a "pay". For those average families, $500 is still consider enough for them, but for those poor families. They have the responsibilities to earn living by themselves and help the family. How can they help the family with only $500, not even enough for themselves.
Shhh dont say PAP later they come your door find you ha
AGREED
from the article below it is clear our dumb leaders fighting the last war from the last century and losing the next war by crippling our youths in 2 years of forced labour. the next war will be with smart machine and FT that steal your food. we are losing heavily on this front. ---------------- Your Job Taught to Machines Puts Half U.S. Work at Risk By Aki Ito Mar 12, 2014 12:01 PM GMT+0800 135 Comments Email Source: Aethon Inc. via Bloomberg Aethon Inc.’s self-navigating TUG robot transports soiled linens, drugs and meals in... Read More Who needs an army of lawyers when you have a computer? When Minneapolis attorney William Greene faced the task of combing through 1.3 million electronic documents in a recent case, he turned to a so-called smart computer program. Three associates selected relevant documents from a smaller sample, “teaching” their reasoning to the computer. The software’s algorithms then sorted the remaining material by importance. “We were able to get the information we needed after reviewing only 2.3 percent of the documents,” said Greene, a Minneapolis-based partner at law firm Stinson Leonard Street LLP. Full Coverage: Technology and the Economy Artificial intelligence has arrived in the American workplace, spawning tools that replicate human judgments that were too complicated and subtle to distill into instructions for a computer. Algorithms that “learn” from past examples relieve engineers of the need to write out every command. The advances, coupled with mobile robots wired with this intelligence, make it likely that occupations employing almost half of today’s U.S. workers, ranging from loan officers to cab drivers and real estate agents, become possible to automate in the next decade or two, according to a study done at the University of Oxford in the U.K. Source: Aethon Inc. via Bloomberg Artificial intelligence has arrived in the American workplace, spawning tools that... Read More “These trans
while USA stock market pushing to all time high , STI meader meaninglessly down. this is because of lack of innovation in the Singapore economy and there is no new bull market generated very unlike the USA of facebook , tesla , biotech , google all new companies within 10 years. while local males are conscripted to be slaves for SAF , the USA youths are thinking up of a brighter future for themselves and the world. NS not only deprive our children of a better future, it is killing Sg and also make Singapore a parasite of the world instead of contributing its fair share of innovation. March 12 (Bloomberg) -- Singapore’s shrinking brokerage industry is set to get even smaller as trading restrictions planned by regulators dent profits, according to a body that represents individual brokers. The average daily value of shares traded in the city, which slumped 40 percent in the first two months of 2014 from a year earlier, will decline further should rules be implemented that include requiring collateral for some trades and shortening the settlement period, said the Society of Remisiers, which represents dealers who work entirely on commission. Singapore Exchange Ltd. and the Monetary Authority of Singapore proposed the changes after a penny-stock rout in October erased $6.9 billion in market value of three companies over three days. “More people will leave the industry as they’ll get less business,” Jimmy Ho, president of the Society of Remisiers, said by phone. “Once they cut the settlement period, there will be less speculative trading and it will drag overall volumes.” The number of stockbrokers in Singapore fell 8.4 percent percent to 3,973 at the end of last year from 4,336 in 2011, according to data from the bourse, as the industry was buffeted by declining trading volumes and commissions as well as competition from online trading platforms. The city’s benchmark Straits Times Index trailed all its major d
anyone can become a billionare if he can exploit a mass of free labourers -- modern form slavery in NS system. as the govt is so hopeless to take the easy solution by conscription FREE LABOUR , there is no need to pay them the highest pay of politicians anywhere in the world as their solution any retard can think up. should sack the whole lot hopeless to cut costs and put a dummy in charge.
USA president say NS is evil ============= President of the United States (and five-star general during World War II) Dwight D. Eisenhower used the term in his Farewell Address to the Nation on January 17, 1961: A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction... This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Laurence Lien basically say NS is the biggest terrorist attack on Sg future. ---------------- New mindset needed to nurture entrepreneurship The key to success in encouraging innovation and entrepreneurship in Singapore is to change the way the country nurtures its young. By Laurence Lien, Published The Straits Times, 1 Mar 2014 SOME time back, I visited an ex-classmate at a tech giant’s headquarters in Silicon Valley. He had done extremely well for himself, having been one of the company’s first employees. He told me that the Singapore Government had been trying to woo him back to Singapore for years. But he wondered why Singapore was going for people who had made it big, like him, since he no longer had the fire to generate new technological breakthroughs. Instead, he argued, Singapore should be wooing the young staff in his company. They were bright, hungry and driven. Singapore’s problems UNFORTUNATELY, he felt that Singapore had two huge problems working against it. One, it was too expensive for these young, modestly paid innovators to afford the lifestyle they were accustomed to. Two, Singapore lacked the creativity culture and an ecosystem to support innovation. For years, Singapore has been trying to make its economic model more knowledge- and innovation-driven. We have also been heavily promoting entrepreneurship. But have things really changed? There is some cause for optimism. Singapore was ranked 10th among 60 countries in the Global Entrepreneurship and Development Index (GEDI) 2012. We scored extremely high on aspirations as our ecosystem does encourage new ventures to grow. On other measures, though, the prospects look less sanguine. According to the Gedi report, Singaporeans lack the ability to perceive opportunities. It suggests that they also lack confidence in their abilities and that endeavours here are more imitative than innovative. In 2009, the Singapore Competitiveness Report released by the Lee Kuan Yew School
we not paid for 2 years doing NS. But the dbs ceo never do NS still can get Singpaore citizenship and worst of all his annual pay 9 million dollars. This shows the govt con us into doing NS for nothing.
Facebook is less than 10 years old but it faces obsolesense from new competition like whatsapp. If Facebook is a human being it would be 80 year old. On the way out. This is call TECHONOLOGY TIME. So some people may say NS is only 2 years but in TECHNOLOGY it is actually 20 years. In other words when our army boys come out of NS at age 20 they are already 40 year old in technology time. NS is making Singapore worthlessly uncompetitive in the world market. Facebook is an online social networking service. Its name comes from a colloquialism for the directory given to students at some American universities. Wikipedia Stock price: FB (NASDAQ) US$70.92 +2.33 (+3.40%) 24 Feb 4:00 pm GMT-5 - Disclaimer Founded: February 4, 2004, Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States Headquarters: Menlo Park, CA, United States of America CEO: Mark Zuckerberg Founders: Mark Zuckerberg, Dustin Moskovitz, Eduardo Saverin, Andrew McCollum, Chris Hughes
so now pioneer generation who serve NS finally get their little rewards after waiting their entire life. for the current "too late" generation , by the time they get their rewards in 50 years time , the NS PONZI scheme will have long burst and Singapore would be bankrupt.
Well said. Sg have so many FT, and which ctry will want to invade sg and jeopardise the safety of their own pple.. A land with no resource. Unless our govt offended some ctry. I think we need more allies rather than asking more of our own pple to go for reservist.
whatapp founder is also anti-NS. Singapore is kill by NS as innavators are all anti-NS type. Tan cheng bock also warn that boring and useless SAF regulars are parachuet into govt. -------------------------------------- A self-described trouble-maker at school, Koum had a job sweeping the floors in a grocery store. After his mother was diagnosed with cancer, they got by on disability payments, Forbes reported.
To show an act of defiance, I urge everyone to announce their NRIC !!!! S8812371i
12 Years a Slave is a 2013 British-American historical drama film and an adaptation of the 1853 memoir of the same name by Solomon Northup, a New York State-born free negro who was kidnapped in Washington, D.C. in 1841 and sold into slavery. He worked on plantations in the state of Louisiana for twelve years before his release. The first scholarly edition of Northup's memoir, co-edited in 1968 by Sue Eakin and Joseph Logsdon, carefully retraced and validated the account and concluded it to be accurate
I just regain my freedom on my 40 th birthday. as a SAF slave for 2.5 years of NS and 20 years of RT I curse SAF and whoever in charge there.
recently I read in news that a sportman is exempted from NS as he is talented. that that means the rest of Singaporeans are untalented and stupid and their career not important. Who on earth are the PAP and govt to play GOD and annoint who is to be exempted and who is not so daring to imprison gods creations against their will and suppress them from developing to their full potential ? IF they are not punish on earth for these sins then a painfull helll awaits them. GOD FURY IS ON YOU !
I urge all Singaporeans who signed this Petition, to send an email to all your friends, relatives and colleagues, to urge them to sign the Petition. We need 10,000 signatures to show to the Government that there is strong support for this Petition. Do your part now. Help to achieve this target.