I presume that you know it's illegal to rip and distribute other peoples copyrighted videos?
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DJ Hamblin-Brown
· petition starter
12 years ago
The video has been taken down from YouTube - presumably by those most embarrassed by it.
It can be seen here instead: http://vimeo.com/user28967360/greenhedgesbyway
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Simon Lees
12 years ago
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I am a resident of Mark Cross, and I fail to see why this short but very pretty route should be used by any motor traffic other than residents & farmers. It runs parallel to a main road, and for walkers (particularly dog walkers like myself) it is the only safe access to surrounding walks in Nap Wood and other local walks from the village. I fully support the aims of the petition.
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DJ Hamblin-Brown
· petition starter
12 years ago
Many thanks to the riders for posting their views - it's important that this is a democratic discussion. Sadly, while there are many sensible and careful drivers on any road, the danger is caused by those drive inconsiderately. There are still many of them and we are concerned for the safety of other users.
Just yesterday (March 30th) I stopped three bikers who were going at speed. Their leader told me that he thought it was a public road. Later in the evening, a 4x4 got stuck and had to be towed out of the lane.
To counter the argument about road use, there are 245,000 miles of road in the UK - all of which are properly signed and made suitable for motor vehicle. Very few are suitable for horses and walkers. Restricting this byway to its original use for pedestrians and horse riders would reduce the total available to motorised users by about 0.0002%.
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Colin Webb
12 years ago
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I have been riding motorcycles on this Byway for over 30 years and have never experienced any issues with anyone. As a member of the Trail Riders Fellowship we always follow a strict code of conduct to make sure that no one is in anyway disadvantaged when using Byways. This is a Road and anyone who does cause any problems should be reported to the police. Only 3% of green lanes in the UK are Byways and I am sure that with walkers and horse riders being able to use the other 97%, we should all be able to enjoy the countryside in our own way.
Colin Webb
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Chris Heron
12 years ago
I would class myself as a responsible and considerate motorcyclist who has been enjoying the byways in the South of England (and elsewhere) for over 15 years, and I was initially very concerned that this byway was being ridden in such an irresponsible manner. However, a recent comment from Jim Wells suggests that the video clip being used to support this petition may well be around 5 years old, and hardly current. In light of past successes in educating these riders and all the work the Trail Riders Fellowship continue doing to promote a code of conduct aimed at making Byways safe for all, I am sure that instances of this type of riding are now in the minority. Certainly, when I encounter other users the great majority of the meetings are completely amicable. It should be remembered also, that responsible ‘trail riders’ bring many benefits to the local communities, in terms of money spent on fuel, food etc. I cannot therefore support the petition to downgrade this historic byway, but would fully support measures to control and eradicate irresponsible riding, where instances still occur.
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Jim Moore
12 years ago
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vehicles should stop where the tarmac stops. Green lanes should be for quiet enjoyment, for walking, pedal-cycling and horses. They are a rare rescource for disabled (being free of stiles etc) and are ruined for people of physical or mental disability when they are rutted and muddy and used as a racetrack for scramble bikes and 4x4s. Saying that because it once has horse and cart rights it is now fair game for scramble bikes, noise, fumes and damage is bonkers
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john vannuffel
12 years ago
I'm sorry to hear that this road is being used irresponsibly. I'm appalled by the riding in the video and appreciate why you are concerned. I'm a responsible motorcyclist that greatly values my access to this marvellous lane. I cannot support the petition to downgrade this road to a bridlepath. However I will vigorously support measures to rid it of irresponsible motorists. I have forwarded the youtube video to Sussex Pathwatch (police) and also named and shamed the rider on the website of the Trail Rider Fellowship. I note that the petition acknowledges that the majority of motorists using this road are responsible. I ask that the responsible motorists aren't subjected to a collective punishment for the actions of a few.
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Mr C B Hamblin
12 years ago
Please stop these people- someone will get injured
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Katie Bond
12 years ago
Please act on this. The countryside must be safe for families to enjoy.
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Richard Hamblin
12 years ago
This by-way is not suitable now for any type of motorised vehicle . It should only be used by walkers and riders. There is potential for a serious accident here
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Jenny Newton
12 years ago
Byways are over-used by bikers these days which can only lead to accidents occuring
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Kate Morton
12 years ago
Heartily agree - dangerous for horses and riders
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Mr & mrs maynard marceau
12 years ago
Bridleways are for horses!
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Ailsa Hamblin
12 years ago
With ever more cars on the roads, horse riders need to have a SAFE place to ride off road without risk of encountering dangerous motorcyclists and off road vehicles.
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Jim Wells
12 years ago
This petition has just been highlighted to me and it’s a shame to see a video that was hosted on a website I manage being used to support the case.
As part of a motorcycling community I edit and create videos of the byways open to all traffic in and around Kent /Sussex. It seems this video was below the expectation of what is, and should be, expected on our green lane network. The TRF (www.trf.org.uk) promote a code of conduct and in recent years have had many more supporters and members abiding by their code. This video was from 2009 and I’m led to believe the rider no longer has a bike so hope that instances of unsavoury riding on the lanes are getting less and less. Byways open to all traffic account for a very small proportion of all networks so it would be a real shame to see any changes to this historic route...
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Steve Neville
12 years ago
... nor walkers, or horses, or bicycles, or carriages...?
I presume that you know it's illegal to rip and distribute other peoples copyrighted videos?
The video has been taken down from YouTube - presumably by those most embarrassed by it. It can be seen here instead: http://vimeo.com/user28967360/greenhedgesbyway
I am a resident of Mark Cross, and I fail to see why this short but very pretty route should be used by any motor traffic other than residents & farmers. It runs parallel to a main road, and for walkers (particularly dog walkers like myself) it is the only safe access to surrounding walks in Nap Wood and other local walks from the village. I fully support the aims of the petition.
Many thanks to the riders for posting their views - it's important that this is a democratic discussion. Sadly, while there are many sensible and careful drivers on any road, the danger is caused by those drive inconsiderately. There are still many of them and we are concerned for the safety of other users. Just yesterday (March 30th) I stopped three bikers who were going at speed. Their leader told me that he thought it was a public road. Later in the evening, a 4x4 got stuck and had to be towed out of the lane. To counter the argument about road use, there are 245,000 miles of road in the UK - all of which are properly signed and made suitable for motor vehicle. Very few are suitable for horses and walkers. Restricting this byway to its original use for pedestrians and horse riders would reduce the total available to motorised users by about 0.0002%.
I have been riding motorcycles on this Byway for over 30 years and have never experienced any issues with anyone. As a member of the Trail Riders Fellowship we always follow a strict code of conduct to make sure that no one is in anyway disadvantaged when using Byways. This is a Road and anyone who does cause any problems should be reported to the police. Only 3% of green lanes in the UK are Byways and I am sure that with walkers and horse riders being able to use the other 97%, we should all be able to enjoy the countryside in our own way. Colin Webb
I would class myself as a responsible and considerate motorcyclist who has been enjoying the byways in the South of England (and elsewhere) for over 15 years, and I was initially very concerned that this byway was being ridden in such an irresponsible manner. However, a recent comment from Jim Wells suggests that the video clip being used to support this petition may well be around 5 years old, and hardly current. In light of past successes in educating these riders and all the work the Trail Riders Fellowship continue doing to promote a code of conduct aimed at making Byways safe for all, I am sure that instances of this type of riding are now in the minority. Certainly, when I encounter other users the great majority of the meetings are completely amicable. It should be remembered also, that responsible ‘trail riders’ bring many benefits to the local communities, in terms of money spent on fuel, food etc. I cannot therefore support the petition to downgrade this historic byway, but would fully support measures to control and eradicate irresponsible riding, where instances still occur.
vehicles should stop where the tarmac stops. Green lanes should be for quiet enjoyment, for walking, pedal-cycling and horses. They are a rare rescource for disabled (being free of stiles etc) and are ruined for people of physical or mental disability when they are rutted and muddy and used as a racetrack for scramble bikes and 4x4s. Saying that because it once has horse and cart rights it is now fair game for scramble bikes, noise, fumes and damage is bonkers
I'm sorry to hear that this road is being used irresponsibly. I'm appalled by the riding in the video and appreciate why you are concerned. I'm a responsible motorcyclist that greatly values my access to this marvellous lane. I cannot support the petition to downgrade this road to a bridlepath. However I will vigorously support measures to rid it of irresponsible motorists. I have forwarded the youtube video to Sussex Pathwatch (police) and also named and shamed the rider on the website of the Trail Rider Fellowship. I note that the petition acknowledges that the majority of motorists using this road are responsible. I ask that the responsible motorists aren't subjected to a collective punishment for the actions of a few.
Please stop these people- someone will get injured
Please act on this. The countryside must be safe for families to enjoy.
This by-way is not suitable now for any type of motorised vehicle . It should only be used by walkers and riders. There is potential for a serious accident here
Byways are over-used by bikers these days which can only lead to accidents occuring
Heartily agree - dangerous for horses and riders
Bridleways are for horses!
With ever more cars on the roads, horse riders need to have a SAFE place to ride off road without risk of encountering dangerous motorcyclists and off road vehicles.
This petition has just been highlighted to me and it’s a shame to see a video that was hosted on a website I manage being used to support the case. As part of a motorcycling community I edit and create videos of the byways open to all traffic in and around Kent /Sussex. It seems this video was below the expectation of what is, and should be, expected on our green lane network. The TRF (www.trf.org.uk) promote a code of conduct and in recent years have had many more supporters and members abiding by their code. This video was from 2009 and I’m led to believe the rider no longer has a bike so hope that instances of unsavoury riding on the lanes are getting less and less. Byways open to all traffic account for a very small proportion of all networks so it would be a real shame to see any changes to this historic route...
... nor walkers, or horses, or bicycles, or carriages...?