as a die hard 'Ute Fan Faithful' fanatic I really don't see why people are getting all worked up over this #UtahManAmI ordeal? It will play out in favor of not changing any lyrics and even if they did attempt to change them I guarantee that 99.9% of Ute fans will refuse it and NOT sing it any different at games/events.
Relax 'U' cannot change a 100+ year old tradition #YeahItllBeOkay
#GoUtes
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Kristobal Batty Reyes
12 years ago
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I have spoken with many and no I will not out them so that they can receive your ridicule. Many people don't realize that this song isn't just sung at the athletic events, but also every year at graduation. I have heard from not only students, but faculty and alumni that they don't feel comfortable and included. Who are you to decide if their sentiments are legitimate anyways? Just because you may not feel the same, that should not make their feelings invalid.
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Kristobal Batty Reyes
12 years ago
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When the lyrics were first written the pronoun was not written to refer to women and definitely was not written to include non-gender conforming individuals, but as a synonym for male. I don't understand why people could fight so adamantly under the guise of tradition. Why is it so difficult to recognize the negative experiences of others? As a university are we so apathetic that we would not even consider for a moment the sentiment and narratives of our peers?
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Derrick Hisatake
12 years ago
You don't have to "out them" in order to relay their experience. You don't want to relay their experience because you don't have any to relay.
1. This isn't even the official school song, so if you are being highly offended by this song at graduation, maybe you should encourage the University to sing the official school song at graduation and not the fight song.
2. The term "man" was used to convey a term meaning any person. For you to argue the intent of the word is ridiculous. The song was created over 100 years ago and includes words like jolly, muss, and gang.
3. Most people who are "upset" about the bias and exclusion issues are people who didn't even know the words to the "FIGHT" song until somebody brought this up. I doubt they know the rest of the song and probably couldn't even figure out where the offensive lines are in the school song.
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Andrew Vaughn
12 years ago
I have been to commencement many times and I have never heard them sing Utah Man. Not once. I have heard and seen posts from Faculty and Alumni also saying that they have never not felt included by the lyrics of the song and that this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. There are a handful of students that do not feel included, but there are so many other reasons behind that than the lyrics of the fight song. ASUU took a non-issue and turned it into one, even holding an 'emergency' session to vote on it (and voting to overrule their own by-laws, mind you) so that they could push this through before the next student body president took 'office'. Its ridiculous. There are so many other issues about inequality and inclusion around campus that should be addressed long before this 'issue' should even be considered. If ASUU can't realize how much more of a negative effect this will have on the student body as a WHOLE then they're not giving the issue a fair chance. Put it up to a student vote-not an ASUU vote-and you'll see what people really think about this. ASUU did a poor job representing the views of the students at this University.
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Will Farr
12 years ago
I've never heard of a negative experience before and I've been here 8 years as an athlete, undergraduate and graduate student. If you are going to take words out of context to create a meaning for them that is in unintended you can find issues with a lot of other words, like "gang," "snuff" and even the proposed changes like "Fan" and "brightest." Yes, brightest can still refer to skin complexion or discriminate against those with learning disabilities. Also, my Crimson Club license plate cover says that I am more than a fan because I care about my school enough to donate to it. Why am I downgraded now when I sing the fight song? Those who really care enough to change a century old tradition are A) Extremely over dramatic, B) Doing this for personal attention or C) As a resume builder, not because they feel it is a detriment to the school or its students. It only devalues the pride that comes with being a member of a great organization.
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Shani Jackson
12 years ago
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I am a fourth generation WOMAN at the University of Utah. My grandmother, at the age of 82, still proudly sings this song. I just don't believe that there was ever any intent to exclude women from this song. I also don't believe that there is any proof that when the lyrics were first written it was meant to refer to males only.
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Jacob Tripp
12 years ago
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Can you share with us some of the "negative experiences" experienced by others, due to the lyrics of the school fight song? If I had heard legitimate "sentiment and narratives" of negative experiences caused by the lyrics of the song, as opposed to just unsupported assertions that the song is sexist and oppressive, I'd be more inclined to believe there is a legitimate need for making a change.
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Jacob Tripp
12 years ago
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I wasn't asking for you to "out" anyone. Just to share these negative experiences that resulted from the lyrics of the song. A better understanding of what experiences people have had as a result of the song would help us all understand better the opposing side's position.
as a die hard 'Ute Fan Faithful' fanatic I really don't see why people are getting all worked up over this #UtahManAmI ordeal? It will play out in favor of not changing any lyrics and even if they did attempt to change them I guarantee that 99.9% of Ute fans will refuse it and NOT sing it any different at games/events. Relax 'U' cannot change a 100+ year old tradition #YeahItllBeOkay #GoUtes
I have spoken with many and no I will not out them so that they can receive your ridicule. Many people don't realize that this song isn't just sung at the athletic events, but also every year at graduation. I have heard from not only students, but faculty and alumni that they don't feel comfortable and included. Who are you to decide if their sentiments are legitimate anyways? Just because you may not feel the same, that should not make their feelings invalid.
When the lyrics were first written the pronoun was not written to refer to women and definitely was not written to include non-gender conforming individuals, but as a synonym for male. I don't understand why people could fight so adamantly under the guise of tradition. Why is it so difficult to recognize the negative experiences of others? As a university are we so apathetic that we would not even consider for a moment the sentiment and narratives of our peers?
You don't have to "out them" in order to relay their experience. You don't want to relay their experience because you don't have any to relay. 1. This isn't even the official school song, so if you are being highly offended by this song at graduation, maybe you should encourage the University to sing the official school song at graduation and not the fight song. 2. The term "man" was used to convey a term meaning any person. For you to argue the intent of the word is ridiculous. The song was created over 100 years ago and includes words like jolly, muss, and gang. 3. Most people who are "upset" about the bias and exclusion issues are people who didn't even know the words to the "FIGHT" song until somebody brought this up. I doubt they know the rest of the song and probably couldn't even figure out where the offensive lines are in the school song.
I have been to commencement many times and I have never heard them sing Utah Man. Not once. I have heard and seen posts from Faculty and Alumni also saying that they have never not felt included by the lyrics of the song and that this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. There are a handful of students that do not feel included, but there are so many other reasons behind that than the lyrics of the fight song. ASUU took a non-issue and turned it into one, even holding an 'emergency' session to vote on it (and voting to overrule their own by-laws, mind you) so that they could push this through before the next student body president took 'office'. Its ridiculous. There are so many other issues about inequality and inclusion around campus that should be addressed long before this 'issue' should even be considered. If ASUU can't realize how much more of a negative effect this will have on the student body as a WHOLE then they're not giving the issue a fair chance. Put it up to a student vote-not an ASUU vote-and you'll see what people really think about this. ASUU did a poor job representing the views of the students at this University.
I've never heard of a negative experience before and I've been here 8 years as an athlete, undergraduate and graduate student. If you are going to take words out of context to create a meaning for them that is in unintended you can find issues with a lot of other words, like "gang," "snuff" and even the proposed changes like "Fan" and "brightest." Yes, brightest can still refer to skin complexion or discriminate against those with learning disabilities. Also, my Crimson Club license plate cover says that I am more than a fan because I care about my school enough to donate to it. Why am I downgraded now when I sing the fight song? Those who really care enough to change a century old tradition are A) Extremely over dramatic, B) Doing this for personal attention or C) As a resume builder, not because they feel it is a detriment to the school or its students. It only devalues the pride that comes with being a member of a great organization.
I am a fourth generation WOMAN at the University of Utah. My grandmother, at the age of 82, still proudly sings this song. I just don't believe that there was ever any intent to exclude women from this song. I also don't believe that there is any proof that when the lyrics were first written it was meant to refer to males only.
Can you share with us some of the "negative experiences" experienced by others, due to the lyrics of the school fight song? If I had heard legitimate "sentiment and narratives" of negative experiences caused by the lyrics of the song, as opposed to just unsupported assertions that the song is sexist and oppressive, I'd be more inclined to believe there is a legitimate need for making a change.
I wasn't asking for you to "out" anyone. Just to share these negative experiences that resulted from the lyrics of the song. A better understanding of what experiences people have had as a result of the song would help us all understand better the opposing side's position.