The committee finally agreed to walk back the rule change after months of pushing. It has been an exhausting road but we secured the outcome we needed for our young racers. Stay alert to ensure they stick to this commitment because the work is not fully over.
March 3, 2017
Final supporters
RESPONSE FROM TeamBSS 14/09/18
Dear Richard and all those who signed and commented on his petition,
Thank you for bringing this petition to my attention and for highlighting the dissatisfaction felt by many. As I have said previously BSS takes Children’s development very seriously and values the input and feedback from all of its stakeholders.
BSS and its Committees believe that when a racer reaches the U16 age group we should be preparing them to make the jump to FIS races and to compete with their peers in FIS Children’s competitions. Our young athletes need to experience and learn that a race comprises of two runs and to develop the tactical awareness and mental strength required to make it to the finish.
The rule for U16s reverted to ‘FIS rules’, when it became clear that our athletes were technically able to compete at Children’s FIS race events and even lead after the first run but were unable to consolidate in the second and unable to cope with the pressure, often resulting in a DNF. The young athletes themselves realised that they were just not used to being in that situation and could not cope. The Alpine Committee at the time agreed and took steps to make the necessary changes. The TD Forum then supported and ratified the decision and the rule changes made then are still in place today.
Since this petition was placed online it has been discussed several times at Alpine Committee level, it has been discussed further by the TD Forum and has even made it into discussions at BSS board level. The Alpine Committee and TD Forum, which consists of coaches, performance experts and indeed parents of athletes all believe unanimously that in order to better prepare our Children for FIS level racing they must be exposed to 2 run races. This level and type of competition requires a totally different mental approach, and it has to be experienced, the earlier the better.
Better preparing our athletes for FIS competitions is not a challenge faced solely by GBR and the FIS Experts Working Group wants to see the last year U16s step up in terms of technique, mental and physical training, and equipment. At least the U16s (especially in their second year), who we have been urged by FIS to ‘better prepare for FIS racing’, now have some two-run race experience. It still comes as a shock to our U14s that a slalom race is made up of two runs in Children’s FIS races, where normal FIS rules apply.
In order to give all of our U16 competitors as much race experience as possible the TD Forum has included a recommendation that gives U16 competitors who are DNF or DSQ the option of running at the end of the group for a second run in BASS events. Our race organisers are being asked to facilitate this rule whenever conditions and safety allows.
This relaxation of the rules along with what the Alpine Committee believes to be a very full Children’s calendar, gives our young athletes many and varied opportunities to race throughout the winter season.
Kind regards
Paul Trayner
Alpine Committee Chairman
British Ski and Snowboard
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Postscript 30/12/2107:
- The editor of racer-ready.co.uk, Neil McQuoid, declined to publish a news item on the petition because he personally disagreed with the content.
- On the 31st March 2017, the petition was delivered to The Chairmam of TeamBSS, Rory Tapnor, who declined to personally accept the petition and passed it over the CEO of TeamBSS, David Edwards.
- In early November 2017, the TeamBSS Alpine committee discussed the petition and declined to change the rule.
- In the middle of November 2017, TeamBSS were requested to make public their decision by way of a news announcement on their website and social media. To date they have declined to do so.
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To the Chairman of TeamBSS
Since 2014, Great Britain has applied the adult rule "DNF in the first run = no start in the second" to U16 children's GS and SL races.
Since it's introduction, no evidence has been provided to demonstrate that this rule change has had an unequivocally positive effect on the performance of first year FIS athletes.
We strongly believe that the application of this rule is simply depriving U16 athletes of valuable race experience.
As the primary stakeholders (athletes, parents, guardians), we, the undersigned, call on the Chairman of TeamBSS to support our request that this rule be changed by the start of the 2018 season, or even better, for the Delancey British Children's Championships Tignes 3rd-7th April.
Updates
February 19, 2017
The response we received recently was heavy and disappointing but the momentum behind this movement remains undeniable. Seeing so many people refuse to back down despite the roadblocks gives me the strength to keep pushing for these athletes.
Reached 100 supporters
February 19, 2017
40 Comments
For so many British skiers, snow time and race experience is so limited that every single race run is of great value to build up their hours and confidence. Please change this rule so our U16 racers can get maximum participation in the sport they love.
Yes I totally agree. By all means use both races for the competition result, but still allow the children to race in both races and record a time. It cannot help anyone not to do this. Providing 2 runs in race conditions can only assist development and will please athletes, coaches and parents (and provide better value)
No Brainer. Let them race. Send them last so they don't cut up the course for others; but they deserve the right to slide. Parents may have spent 1000's to get them to the event and what harm will it do?
I remember this rule change being put in place in an attempt to make the transition form children's racing to FIS racing an easier one, as the fall out from children's to FIS was considerable. From where I am sitting, the fall out is still as big. Clearly in this respect, the change in the rule has not worked, I think, therefore, the rule should be as it was, ie the same as the U14's...after all, kids racing is supposed to be fun, no??
The French do not apply this rule, they award points for each run and overall position, the best 2 are then added together as the "championship" points, much fairer! They do not seed U14/U16 racers either, it's the luck of the draw, a great way to learn to ski the ruts and that's what you need in the early years of FIS!
Always objected to this this daft rule. USA and other nations offer second run to all and so should we. Please also petition to ALWAYS hold U14 and U16 on different courses. There is enough profit generated from races to enforce this. Bring back the good racing for the racers.
British U16 racers need all the experience they can get.
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The committee finally agreed to walk back the rule change after months of pushing. It has been an exhausting road but we secured the outcome we needed for our young racers. Stay alert to ensure they stick to this commitment because the work is not fully over.
March 3, 2017
Final supporters
RESPONSE FROM TeamBSS 14/09/18
Dear Richard and all those who signed and commented on his petition,
Thank you for bringing this petition to my attention and for highlighting the dissatisfaction felt by many. As I have said previously BSS takes Children’s development very seriously and values the input and feedback from all of its stakeholders.
BSS and its Committees believe that when a racer reaches the U16 age group we should be preparing them to make the jump to FIS races and to compete with their peers in FIS Children’s competitions. Our young athletes need to experience and learn that a race comprises of two runs and to develop the tactical awareness and mental strength required to make it to the finish.
The rule for U16s reverted to ‘FIS rules’, when it became clear that our athletes were technically able to compete at Children’s FIS race events and even lead after the first run but were unable to consolidate in the second and unable to cope with the pressure, often resulting in a DNF. The young athletes themselves realised that they were just not used to being in that situation and could not cope. The Alpine Committee at the time agreed and took steps to make the necessary changes. The TD Forum then supported and ratified the decision and the rule changes made then are still in place today.
Since this petition was placed online it has been discussed several times at Alpine Committee level, it has been discussed further by the TD Forum and has even made it into discussions at BSS board level. The Alpine Committee and TD Forum, which consists of coaches, performance experts and indeed parents of athletes all believe unanimously that in order to better prepare our Children for FIS level racing they must be exposed to 2 run races. This level and type of competition requires a totally different mental approach, and it has to be experienced, the earlier the better.
Better preparing our athletes for FIS competitions is not a challenge faced solely by GBR and the FIS Experts Working Group wants to see the last year U16s step up in terms of technique, mental and physical training, and equipment. At least the U16s (especially in their second year), who we have been urged by FIS to ‘better prepare for FIS racing’, now have some two-run race experience. It still comes as a shock to our U14s that a slalom race is made up of two runs in Children’s FIS races, where normal FIS rules apply.
In order to give all of our U16 competitors as much race experience as possible the TD Forum has included a recommendation that gives U16 competitors who are DNF or DSQ the option of running at the end of the group for a second run in BASS events. Our race organisers are being asked to facilitate this rule whenever conditions and safety allows.
This relaxation of the rules along with what the Alpine Committee believes to be a very full Children’s calendar, gives our young athletes many and varied opportunities to race throughout the winter season.
Kind regards
Paul Trayner
Alpine Committee Chairman
British Ski and Snowboard
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Postscript 30/12/2107:
- The editor of racer-ready.co.uk, Neil McQuoid, declined to publish a news item on the petition because he personally disagreed with the content.
- On the 31st March 2017, the petition was delivered to The Chairmam of TeamBSS, Rory Tapnor, who declined to personally accept the petition and passed it over the CEO of TeamBSS, David Edwards.
- In early November 2017, the TeamBSS Alpine committee discussed the petition and declined to change the rule.
- In the middle of November 2017, TeamBSS were requested to make public their decision by way of a news announcement on their website and social media. To date they have declined to do so.
---------------------------------------------------------------
To the Chairman of TeamBSS
Since 2014, Great Britain has applied the adult rule "DNF in the first run = no start in the second" to U16 children's GS and SL races.
Since it's introduction, no evidence has been provided to demonstrate that this rule change has had an unequivocally positive effect on the performance of first year FIS athletes.
We strongly believe that the application of this rule is simply depriving U16 athletes of valuable race experience.
As the primary stakeholders (athletes, parents, guardians), we, the undersigned, call on the Chairman of TeamBSS to support our request that this rule be changed by the start of the 2018 season, or even better, for the Delancey British Children's Championships Tignes 3rd-7th April.
Updates
February 19, 2017
The response we received recently was heavy and disappointing but the momentum behind this movement remains undeniable. Seeing so many people refuse to back down despite the roadblocks gives me the strength to keep pushing for these athletes.
Reached 100 supporters
February 19, 2017
40 Comments
So much hard work and effort goes into our GB U16 ski racers that we should give them every chance for race experience. If we change this rule we are teaching them to charge and to risk and find their limits which is imperative to moving up successfully into FIS!
For so many British skiers, snow time and race experience is so limited that every single race run is of great value to build up their hours and confidence. Please change this rule so our U16 racers can get maximum participation in the sport they love.
Yes I totally agree. By all means use both races for the competition result, but still allow the children to race in both races and record a time. It cannot help anyone not to do this. Providing 2 runs in race conditions can only assist development and will please athletes, coaches and parents (and provide better value)
No Brainer. Let them race. Send them last so they don't cut up the course for others; but they deserve the right to slide. Parents may have spent 1000's to get them to the event and what harm will it do?
I remember this rule change being put in place in an attempt to make the transition form children's racing to FIS racing an easier one, as the fall out from children's to FIS was considerable. From where I am sitting, the fall out is still as big. Clearly in this respect, the change in the rule has not worked, I think, therefore, the rule should be as it was, ie the same as the U14's...after all, kids racing is supposed to be fun, no??
The French do not apply this rule, they award points for each run and overall position, the best 2 are then added together as the "championship" points, much fairer! They do not seed U14/U16 racers either, it's the luck of the draw, a great way to learn to ski the ruts and that's what you need in the early years of FIS!
Always objected to this this daft rule. USA and other nations offer second run to all and so should we. Please also petition to ALWAYS hold U14 and U16 on different courses. There is enough profit generated from races to enforce this. Bring back the good racing for the racers.
British U16 racers need all the experience they can get.
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So much hard work and effort goes into our GB U16 ski racers that we should give them every chance for race experience. If we change this rule we are teaching them to charge and to risk and find their limits which is imperative to moving up successfully into FIS!