F1C 4 Seconds Engine Run Rule Change Petition

I agree with all the comments thats have been expressed here and I´m against the new normative. Greetings from Spain.

4 seconds! ridiculous...

Fixing this is easy: realize a mistake was made and at minimum postpone the rules changes. I'm sure the rules committee could get together and hold a meeting online or a conf call and flip this. Maybe allow a little time for representatives to actually check in with their country's F1c flyers... and actually represent their views?

The 4 second rule does the opposite of it's purpose by eliminating direct drive fixed wing models (likely the majority of all models being flown) from being competitive in F1C. Keep the 5 second motor run for fixed wing direct drive models..if you want to reduce those higher tech models by using 4.0 to 4.5 second motor runs, I could endorse that rule.

Leave the 2015 rules as they are or go to a two level motor run rule to keep the non gear fixed wing models competitive.

I am an active F1C flyer having competed in six World Championships from Spain '81. As a former FAI FF Subcommitee member I voted against reduction to 4 secons engine run. Despite not being a perfect solution, I would endorse 4.5 seconds for Flappers/Folders and 5 seconds for fixed wing models.

Go back to 5 secs run for direct drive models without variable camber and/or span. Suspend the RDT requirement for further discussion. Create flight line rules to address safety.

I use electronic timers with RDT and I love what they do. However, There are multiple things that will not save a high speed crash. I fly geared fixed wing models so can only speak for them. The first is a system failure (servo) where nothing works. Second is a bunt line failure or a stab knocked off the power screw. You cannot push the button fast enough before impact upwind. You can save a flame out, maybe a pull down line failure and even perhaps a rudder line failure, with engine shut down, the coast delay function before full DT. I would suggest we fully define what we to solve before we offer solutions; then we can investigate the technical possibilities and the related cost. I love the electronics but they are not cheap and not the end all.

Although not an F1C flyer but I do fly FAI F1A, the introduction of this rule is without formal justification and not considered the wider F1C community, a stand needs to be taken before other ill thought out rule changes are made made by people with little or no experience or specialist knowledge or active consultation with the many manufacturers.

Reverse the engine run back to 5 seconds.

As an active F1C flyer in Spain I suggest at FAI ,4.5 sec for flappers and folders and 5 sec for fixed wings models and the obligation of use RDT in F1c power models

As an active F1C flyer and previous member of the US team I am appauled at the complete disregaurd of the opinions of active F1C competitors in the decisions made by CIAM. We have a limited amount of time left to enjoy our sport because of declining numbers and they have just put the final nail in the coffin. If these pleas to CIAM do not work I suggest some sort of formal protest at every world cup event in 2016.

In my opinion it would be best to change rule to balance the field with 4.5 sec for flappers and folders and 5 sec for fixed wings models while we are trying to reverse this rule change. But few have spoken up for this idea. The 4 sec rule will devastate this once great event. RDT is an idea that needs to be thought out some more before implementing. I'm against these blanket changes.

Although the 4 second engine run changes the performance of different types of C models, it does not obsolete any. In contrast the RDT mandate means that only a small number of C models would be legal on January '16. It requires switching over to e-timers and servos which is not simple or cheap. And there is the juggernaut issue of folders (see SEN 2018). Personally, I think having a RDT functionality on powerful power models makes sense and I supported in on FB; but the devil is in its implementation.

This rule was made by guys with little or no experience or knowledge of how different F1c engines work. None of the engine manufaturers were consulted and as a result CIAM have junked 30% of existing flyers models. The objectives will not be achieved by this rule and the other rule changes implemented have erased any possible benefit of the 4 secs rule. A clear case of "if it is not broken, why try to mend it"

I have endeavoured to revive F1C flying and have incorporated it in our Queensland State Champs for the last 8 years. Our local flyers all have older style models with mechanical timers. The new rules would eliminate every competitor (currently we have 5 who regularly compete) due to the RDT requirement. The new rules really restrict models to only the state of the art purchased designs and a few expert competitors. For a class that struggles to attract flyers the new rules will no doubt bring about the rapid demise of this class. Most problems associated with performance could have been resolved by reducing the windspeed limit rather than messing with engine runs etc.

Going to four seconds will obsolete over half of the F1C field with no proof anything will improve.

A strange change when all FF organizations are trying to attract more flyers to FAI events and opposed any rule change. This will certainly help to kill F1C. A thoughtless change.

Reverse the rule or I leave F1C to go back to playing with my sports cars.

We are in the process of changing over with my son to F1C fom F1P. Made quite some investment so far but we are seriously thinking if we should do it. I am sure a lot of people will not change their planes to comply with the new RDT rules - which are nonesense anyway