As a certified athletic trainer for 28 years, I believe whole heartedly in Bill Prentice's statement. Our training is definitely not in line with the laws pertaining to our scope of practice , and certainly not to the respective pay scale.
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Julie Alexander
10 years ago
The process that CAATE took to come to this decision was made without input from working athletic trainers. The committees decision to intrude on other heathcare fields skills has antagonized the very professionals we need to be working with closely to provide good, quality care to our athletes. I am proud to be on the frontline of athletic health care - that is what we do.
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Justin E Lehman
10 years ago
We are athletic trainers, we chose to go to school to be athletic trainers. I did not choose to go to PT school, I did not choose to go to PA school. I did not choose to become a paramedic. I want to work with student-athletes, not "patients in a clinic". I respect that we must grow our skill set over time but we have lost our professional identity. If these standards pass, how can anyone encourage someone to become an ATC when they could make triple as a PA. It is a very concerning time for our profession.
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Chris Jorgensen
10 years ago
A lot of proposed ciricular changes seem to be a violation of the PA state practice act for athletic trainers.
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Marc Camporeale
10 years ago
traditional settings is where athletic trainers made their name. The association continues to loses its way and get away from what we are extremely good at.
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Anonymous
10 years ago
As a former ATEP program director this is very concerning to me.
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Ryan
10 years ago
The CAATE is comprised of individuals from large institutions and does not represent the entirety of AT Education across the country. It is my hope that the Standards that have been published our their “wish list.” It is also my hope that they will actually read and make changes based on feedback that they have been given.
From the outset the CAATE has not been very forthcoming about many issues related to the transition to ELM. Why will they not release the previous comments on the “white paper” and other documents that have gone out for public comment? Why have they said that they will not release the current comments and results? What do they have to hide? I assume that the majority of people that have commented disagree with the CAATE’s vision.
There have been quite a few assumptions made since this process began years ago. Salaries should increase, demand should increase etc.. All are assumptions that have been made by the CAATE and not based on “evidence”.
I sincerely hope that the actions that CAATE has undertaken will not kill our profession. It will be extremely hard to sell a high school senior and their parents on 5-6 years of schooling at the university when they will only make half of what other healthcare providers make with same years of schooling (PA for example)
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Jennifer McKeon
10 years ago
Written in a respectful, informed, and passionate manner - this petition is a voice for those not being heard
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Shawn
10 years ago
I sign my name in support of the petition and have addressed many of the same concerns at the state, national and local levels before and after the announcement of entry level masters
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Carl huff
10 years ago
The for the last ten years the additional educational proficiencies has only taken time away in the curriculum to teach what our profession was developed for. Our legislation should hve spent time finding ways for school administrators to hire ATC and fund this instead of redefining who we are. School system found ways to hire assistant football coaches, asst. principles but no funds for ATC? I agree the new transition will slow our graduation rate and will not change the capabilities or abilities of the student ATC?
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Vara Y Hitchcock
10 years ago
I'm very concerned as a 24 yr ATC. Curriculums are already putting out entry level ATCs that do not have practical experience and skills. On top of that add another 2 years of classwork without practical, 'in the trenches' experience and I am afraid will be detrimental to what we do what we do & how we came to become Certified Athletic Trainers. Also, what do these scope of practice changes mean for the current careers of ATCs. Will we be required to go back and take classes to become "qualified' to perform these new 'tasks'? I agree there are ways to improve our profession and encourage it to grow without redefining our stop of practice.
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Scott Rouse
10 years ago
I agree with you Bill. More responsibility and liability, with the same pay for entry level ATCs. Those student loans will be a lot higher as well. As our "Legends of the Profession" said, we need to be careful about the decisions make about the profession.
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Doug May
10 years ago
This whole process is a wrong in both content and a implementation.Shame on CAATE
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Bill Cubbage
10 years ago
In 30+ years of certification I've seen many changes. These scare me. I can't count the number of colleagues that have left the profession because of the low pay and long hours. In my opinion none of the proposals here will do anything to address either of those issues, in fact I think it will make things worse. More responsibilities and more liability.
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Samuel Voight
10 years ago
30 years of athletic training experience and I could not live up to the expectations of this CAATE entry level proposal. It reads like a PhD/MD level - post residency expectation. Granted, we are able to recognize many of these proposed operatives, but not at this proposed level of proficiency.
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Chris Hagemann
10 years ago
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Having been involved with this profession for over 10 years and a fairly large network of colleagues; it troubles me that the voices of many clinicians was ignored with the changes made. Most people Ive heard from didnt want the change but it proceeded anyway.
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Trevor Jones
10 years ago
I agree, and am still skeptical of turning to entry level masters as well. But to completely redefine the scope of practice is dangerous. West Virginia has a difficult time as it is in establishing licensure that would surely not pass if the scope of practice was to expand.
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Paul Geisler
· petition starter
10 years ago
To be clear, this petition is NOT intended or designed to in any way "replace" the open commentary process on the CAATE website, or to supplant its role in providing feedback and insight. All concerned AT professionals our encouraged to do that as well, and to be frank, are also responsible for doing so in order to be an active part of the discursive process. This petition is (as it is addressed) intended as a medium of collective voices of concern for the NATA Leadership, and as such intended to supplement the online CAATE process. Its chief intent is to provide additional, open spaces for the expression of concerns, issues and questions that need to be considered in this process and are critical to democratic and academic debate and process. Given that almost 650 people have signed and 125 have commented in only 7 days, it is clear that this petition is indeed serving a critical need and providing an effective avenue for concerned athletic trainers--it has generated conversation, thinking and reflection. To me, that is healthy and requisite in times of change and failing to allow and create such spaces is detrimental to positive and transparent growth in any endeavor.
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Mike O
10 years ago
This is too much
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Nathanael R Seymour
10 years ago
Let's pay close attention to what happened to the physical therapy profession when they did the same thing. They paid more for an education that didn't make them any better practitioners. Only experience does that!
As a certified athletic trainer for 28 years, I believe whole heartedly in Bill Prentice's statement. Our training is definitely not in line with the laws pertaining to our scope of practice , and certainly not to the respective pay scale.
The process that CAATE took to come to this decision was made without input from working athletic trainers. The committees decision to intrude on other heathcare fields skills has antagonized the very professionals we need to be working with closely to provide good, quality care to our athletes. I am proud to be on the frontline of athletic health care - that is what we do.
We are athletic trainers, we chose to go to school to be athletic trainers. I did not choose to go to PT school, I did not choose to go to PA school. I did not choose to become a paramedic. I want to work with student-athletes, not "patients in a clinic". I respect that we must grow our skill set over time but we have lost our professional identity. If these standards pass, how can anyone encourage someone to become an ATC when they could make triple as a PA. It is a very concerning time for our profession.
A lot of proposed ciricular changes seem to be a violation of the PA state practice act for athletic trainers.
traditional settings is where athletic trainers made their name. The association continues to loses its way and get away from what we are extremely good at.
As a former ATEP program director this is very concerning to me.
The CAATE is comprised of individuals from large institutions and does not represent the entirety of AT Education across the country. It is my hope that the Standards that have been published our their “wish list.” It is also my hope that they will actually read and make changes based on feedback that they have been given. From the outset the CAATE has not been very forthcoming about many issues related to the transition to ELM. Why will they not release the previous comments on the “white paper” and other documents that have gone out for public comment? Why have they said that they will not release the current comments and results? What do they have to hide? I assume that the majority of people that have commented disagree with the CAATE’s vision. There have been quite a few assumptions made since this process began years ago. Salaries should increase, demand should increase etc.. All are assumptions that have been made by the CAATE and not based on “evidence”. I sincerely hope that the actions that CAATE has undertaken will not kill our profession. It will be extremely hard to sell a high school senior and their parents on 5-6 years of schooling at the university when they will only make half of what other healthcare providers make with same years of schooling (PA for example)
Written in a respectful, informed, and passionate manner - this petition is a voice for those not being heard
I sign my name in support of the petition and have addressed many of the same concerns at the state, national and local levels before and after the announcement of entry level masters
The for the last ten years the additional educational proficiencies has only taken time away in the curriculum to teach what our profession was developed for. Our legislation should hve spent time finding ways for school administrators to hire ATC and fund this instead of redefining who we are. School system found ways to hire assistant football coaches, asst. principles but no funds for ATC? I agree the new transition will slow our graduation rate and will not change the capabilities or abilities of the student ATC?
I'm very concerned as a 24 yr ATC. Curriculums are already putting out entry level ATCs that do not have practical experience and skills. On top of that add another 2 years of classwork without practical, 'in the trenches' experience and I am afraid will be detrimental to what we do what we do & how we came to become Certified Athletic Trainers. Also, what do these scope of practice changes mean for the current careers of ATCs. Will we be required to go back and take classes to become "qualified' to perform these new 'tasks'? I agree there are ways to improve our profession and encourage it to grow without redefining our stop of practice.
I agree with you Bill. More responsibility and liability, with the same pay for entry level ATCs. Those student loans will be a lot higher as well. As our "Legends of the Profession" said, we need to be careful about the decisions make about the profession.
This whole process is a wrong in both content and a implementation.Shame on CAATE
In 30+ years of certification I've seen many changes. These scare me. I can't count the number of colleagues that have left the profession because of the low pay and long hours. In my opinion none of the proposals here will do anything to address either of those issues, in fact I think it will make things worse. More responsibilities and more liability.
30 years of athletic training experience and I could not live up to the expectations of this CAATE entry level proposal. It reads like a PhD/MD level - post residency expectation. Granted, we are able to recognize many of these proposed operatives, but not at this proposed level of proficiency.
Having been involved with this profession for over 10 years and a fairly large network of colleagues; it troubles me that the voices of many clinicians was ignored with the changes made. Most people Ive heard from didnt want the change but it proceeded anyway.
I agree, and am still skeptical of turning to entry level masters as well. But to completely redefine the scope of practice is dangerous. West Virginia has a difficult time as it is in establishing licensure that would surely not pass if the scope of practice was to expand.
To be clear, this petition is NOT intended or designed to in any way "replace" the open commentary process on the CAATE website, or to supplant its role in providing feedback and insight. All concerned AT professionals our encouraged to do that as well, and to be frank, are also responsible for doing so in order to be an active part of the discursive process. This petition is (as it is addressed) intended as a medium of collective voices of concern for the NATA Leadership, and as such intended to supplement the online CAATE process. Its chief intent is to provide additional, open spaces for the expression of concerns, issues and questions that need to be considered in this process and are critical to democratic and academic debate and process. Given that almost 650 people have signed and 125 have commented in only 7 days, it is clear that this petition is indeed serving a critical need and providing an effective avenue for concerned athletic trainers--it has generated conversation, thinking and reflection. To me, that is healthy and requisite in times of change and failing to allow and create such spaces is detrimental to positive and transparent growth in any endeavor.
This is too much
Let's pay close attention to what happened to the physical therapy profession when they did the same thing. They paid more for an education that didn't make them any better practitioners. Only experience does that!