The lap times that are posted for the Logitech Challenge for GT5P / PS3 format are without a doubt "very unclean",by that I mean people using wallriding techniques,shortcutting,anything they can do to try to make themselves look good and fast.I come from a Gran Turismo forum, (www.gtplanet.net),where we hold very high values as far as online racing goes,we have our standards / morals as well as several other GT sites who support this game.It just is not fair that a person who can run a squeaky clean lap while setting a good time get shot down (time wise) by a person who decides to go at it with the attitude "win at all cost".The good guys get nothing,the bad guys get rewarded,makes no sense to me at all.Our forum is up in arms about this and would like to see some type of response for the "unclean" times being posted.