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Change FAA ADS-B OUT MANDATE to allow portable devices

Change FAA ADS-B OUT MANDATE to allow portable devices

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Started by William Hodges 10 years, 10 months ago

I want to petition the FAA to modify the ADS-B OUT mandate for VFR operations. I want them to approve the use of hand-held or portable ADS-B OUT devices for VFR use. Current law requires permanent installation of expensive IFR Certified ADS-B equipment costing several thousand dollars per aircraft by 2020. Changing the law would dramatically reduce the cost of compliance for VFR aircraft making our airways safer for everyone.

Each of these devices would be FAA registered to an owner, with an owner-user profile allowing up to 4 users and 8 aircraft per device. These profiles would allow single or multiple pilots to operate single or multiple airplanes during a 24-hour active period, one at a time. The owner would set up the profile with the FAA and specify the pilot-users associated with the device. The pilot-users would then be able to add or remove aircraft to the profile list as needed. The owner of the device would be copied on profile changes via email.

An owner-user-aircraft 24-hour profile would be activated before the first flight of the day during the FAA preflight briefing by telephone. The user would activate the aircraft(s) in use and identify which pilots would be flying during the day. The 24 hour profile could be one pilot and one aircraft or it could indicate multiple aircraft-pilot combinations to be in use during the day.

Here is an example.Adam and Betty are both VFR pilots and own a '66 Piper Cherokee N111 and he and Betty fly that airplane regularly, sometimes on day trips together. Adam also owns a '48 Cessna 140 N222 on floats that he uses during the summer for fishing. Adam owns one ADS-B OUT device that he and Betty use for both planes. Charlie also owns a Cessna 140 taildragger like Adam's and asks if Adam and Bette will take his plane 60 miles and drop it off to have the avionics worked on. All three pilots have taildragger endorsements. Charlie leaves his portable ADS-B OUT device in N333 for Adam's use and adds Adam and Betty to his user profile. At 8PM the evening before the flight Adam Calls the FAA Flight Briefer and activates his ADS-B out profile for himself and Bette for both N111 and N333. He also acitvates Charlie's ADS-B OUT device for both N333 and N111 and himself and Bette. So now both ADS-B devices are active for both airplanes and both pilots for 24 hours. How the flights progress is up to them. They might pick up N333 then fly to lunch and switch pilots. That way both get to log taildragger landings. Each device should be able to read their own transponder returns so if they wanted ATC radar services they could do that. The portable ADS-B OUT device profile registry combined with the FAA N-Number database should be enough to satisfy security requirements for this program. Portable ADS-B OUT devices for VFR use should be inexpensive and flexible to support the wide variations in in VFR flying practices.

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Anonymous
10 years ago Featured

Please allow portable ADS-B OUT devices. Many of us fly a variety of light aircraft and want the ability to move devices from one to another aircraft.

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SHARON TINKLER
10 years ago Featured

Please join me in supporting an affordable ADS-B Out solution so that little airplanes like mine can still fly after the year 2020 deadline. Current installations cost 1/2 to 2/3 the market value of my whole airplane!

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Joe Baker
10 years ago

It is simply silly to require such expense for light, small and slow aircraft that stay out of complex airspace!

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Gary Caron
10 years ago

I support the idea of a portable ADS-b out device for use in VFR only light aircraft. It doesn't make much sense to mandate a device for VFR light aircraft that the typical installation cost is more than 1/2 to total market value of the entire aircraft. The typical mission of most small light VFR aircraft doesn't warrant what is being mandated by the current ADS-b requirement.

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Thomas j Weston
10 years ago

Please Approve portable ADS B devices for VFR GA Aircraft

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John Majane
10 years ago

There are simpler solutions out there available that do not cost 1/2 the value of the aircraft. If the FAA is truly concerned with the safety of the traveling public they would relax the standards to performance based instead of the onerous equipment based standards they have now. I believe that it is in everyone's best interest to have the ADS-B out equipment and the cost barriers need to be removed.

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Robert L. Dean
10 years ago

I am a private pilot, VFR. I own a Tecnam Sierra (SLSA) aircraft. I hope the FAA will change FAA ADS-B OUT MANDATE to allow portable devices.

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Malcolm Brown
10 years ago

We must do all we can to maintain high safety standards for older small planes while not making it outlandishly expensive for their owners.