The council has finally agreed to refund the unfair fines that hit so many of us in the pocket. I am relieved that they have acknowledged the lack of clarity and chosen to do the right thing. Keep your paperwork safe as we wait for the next steps on the …
May 14, 2017
Final supporters
Residents furious about Surbiton Crescent fines
This is the time to stop Kingston council's money making scam on issuing penalty charges to the vehicles crossing surbiton cresent between junction with Anglesea road and Surbiton Road.
http://www.thisisourtownkingston.co.uk/residents-f...
Council says this is a trial closure "The trial closure between Anglesea Road and Surbiton road is part of the Go Cycle programme and has been designed to help speed up bus journeys and improve safety for cyclists and pedestrians"
If this is trial closure council should issue warning notice to the vehicle crosses first time. not the penalty charges.
Lets fight back now!
please sign this petition and share this among your online groups.
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The traffic restriction at Surbiton Crescent between Anglesea Road and Surbiton Road is not driver friendly and the outcome of crossing that section is a blow to the innocent driver.
The following are the reasons I think the signage is not adequate
1. I do not believe anyone would willingly break a rule knowing they would be penalized by the PCN/council.
• Please see the link below to see the number of vehicles crossing this section within a 15-minute period https://youtu.be/9VCVGS9HUGk
2. The restricted access sign should be clearly highlighted to alert drivers.
• If one is a local resident, I believe they would pay less attention to smaller signs as they are familiar to these routes. Clear, distinct and high-contrast signs should be put up for temporary road closures
• Usually, if there are road closures or diversions, there would be signs along the road alerting drivers to these. There should be clearly visible signs along the road at several places. In addition, signs should show where to divert the traffic clearly. In this case, there weren’t clear instructions.
3. This was meant to be a trial restriction. The council cannot use permanent road signs to indicate trial closures. Instead, there should be signs for temporary diversions and route closures for motor vehicles as in http://eurouwins.com/symbol/index.html
4. This traffic restriction is to allow only for buses and taxis.
• That section should be treated as bus route. If so, where were the red road markers with bus road sign on it?
5. Vehicles crossing the trial restriction or trial closure for the first time should not be penalized. PCN should deliver warning notices letter for first time offenders as far as the trial restriction is active. Penalty notices should only be served to drivers who cross the gate after having received a warning notice for the first crossing. PCN can check the vehicle details on the database for repeat offenders.
What we are expecting from the council:• Kindly refund the money the council has earned where drivers cross the area first time on this trial closure/restriction
• Issue warning notices to the drivers who cross the first time during trial closures as this would encourage and caution drives not to cross this area again. This would be more principled and just than what council now enforces
• Post clear temporary closure signage to prevent innocent drivers being unjustly penalized
I hope this is the last trial or experimental project by Kingston Council, where funds are illegally collected from residents via penalty charges by unwarranted means. I believe the Council can raise its required funds for its projects from other responsible sources.
I am bit anxious that Kingston council will repeat similar trial or experimental money making model to fund future projects when council struggling to get enough funding from responsible sources.
Updates
Reached 500 supporters
April 11, 2017
March 28, 2017
I have been reading your stories about these fines and it is clear that many people were caught completely unaware by the confusing signage. I am currently compiling all of these accounts to present to the council because they need to face the human cost of this predatory scheme.
March 27, 2017
Seeing so many of you join this fight proves that I am not the only one being unfairly targeted by these predatory fines. This momentum shows the council that we see exactly what they are doing. We will keep pushing until they admit that using us as a revenue source is wrong.
Reached 100 supporters
February 12, 2017
334 Comments
I too have just been caught out by this. Setting traps for drivers like this surely makes the roads less safe as you're busy scanning all the signs everywhere to make sure you're not breaking some rule rather than focusing on other road users.
Appalling. Total lack of clarity or understandable fore warning. This has always been my safe way into Kingston from Surbiton Station. I received my PCN following a drop off at 6-00am on a Saturday morning (1st April 2017 - April Fool - Kingston Council the architect!).
Signage inadequate. Not clearly visible from the minimum 45m (147 ft) as indicated in Traffic Signs Manual for 20mph roads. No fair indication or suggestions for cars to use Anglesea Road as only non-contravening option to access Surbiton Road from Surbiton Crescent.
My wife got caught last week not realising where she got the fine, I took the car out yesterday and was stopped by a local resident showing me the new road layout. I now too will be receiving a fine. The signage is inadequate and very misleading. I really do not see the point.
All of the comments made I agree with. I feel a warning letter would have solved the problem in my case. The signage was poor and as a regular user of this route on car and by bus I had no idea it was not open to cars. I had to pay twice in 2.5 hours.
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The council has finally agreed to refund the unfair fines that hit so many of us in the pocket. I am relieved that they have acknowledged the lack of clarity and chosen to do the right thing. Keep your paperwork safe as we wait for the next steps on the …
May 14, 2017
Final supporters
Residents furious about Surbiton Crescent fines
This is the time to stop Kingston council's money making scam on issuing penalty charges to the vehicles crossing surbiton cresent between junction with Anglesea road and Surbiton Road.
http://www.thisisourtownkingston.co.uk/residents-f...
Council says this is a trial closure "The trial closure between Anglesea Road and Surbiton road is part of the Go Cycle programme and has been designed to help speed up bus journeys and improve safety for cyclists and pedestrians"
If this is trial closure council should issue warning notice to the vehicle crosses first time. not the penalty charges.
Lets fight back now!
please sign this petition and share this among your online groups.
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The traffic restriction at Surbiton Crescent between Anglesea Road and Surbiton Road is not driver friendly and the outcome of crossing that section is a blow to the innocent driver.
The following are the reasons I think the signage is not adequate
1. I do not believe anyone would willingly break a rule knowing they would be penalized by the PCN/council.
• Please see the link below to see the number of vehicles crossing this section within a 15-minute period https://youtu.be/9VCVGS9HUGk
2. The restricted access sign should be clearly highlighted to alert drivers.
• If one is a local resident, I believe they would pay less attention to smaller signs as they are familiar to these routes. Clear, distinct and high-contrast signs should be put up for temporary road closures
• Usually, if there are road closures or diversions, there would be signs along the road alerting drivers to these. There should be clearly visible signs along the road at several places. In addition, signs should show where to divert the traffic clearly. In this case, there weren’t clear instructions.
3. This was meant to be a trial restriction. The council cannot use permanent road signs to indicate trial closures. Instead, there should be signs for temporary diversions and route closures for motor vehicles as in http://eurouwins.com/symbol/index.html
4. This traffic restriction is to allow only for buses and taxis.
• That section should be treated as bus route. If so, where were the red road markers with bus road sign on it?
5. Vehicles crossing the trial restriction or trial closure for the first time should not be penalized. PCN should deliver warning notices letter for first time offenders as far as the trial restriction is active. Penalty notices should only be served to drivers who cross the gate after having received a warning notice for the first crossing. PCN can check the vehicle details on the database for repeat offenders.
What we are expecting from the council:• Kindly refund the money the council has earned where drivers cross the area first time on this trial closure/restriction
• Issue warning notices to the drivers who cross the first time during trial closures as this would encourage and caution drives not to cross this area again. This would be more principled and just than what council now enforces
• Post clear temporary closure signage to prevent innocent drivers being unjustly penalized
I hope this is the last trial or experimental project by Kingston Council, where funds are illegally collected from residents via penalty charges by unwarranted means. I believe the Council can raise its required funds for its projects from other responsible sources.
I am bit anxious that Kingston council will repeat similar trial or experimental money making model to fund future projects when council struggling to get enough funding from responsible sources.
Updates
Reached 500 supporters
April 11, 2017
March 28, 2017
I have been reading your stories about these fines and it is clear that many people were caught completely unaware by the confusing signage. I am currently compiling all of these accounts to present to the council because they need to face the human cost of this predatory scheme.
March 27, 2017
Seeing so many of you join this fight proves that I am not the only one being unfairly targeted by these predatory fines. This momentum shows the council that we see exactly what they are doing. We will keep pushing until they admit that using us as a revenue source is wrong.
Reached 100 supporters
February 12, 2017
334 Comments
I believe it is unfair to penalise motorist for using the same route as before the sign was installed. It is badly signed and once you are through there is no way back so you would go through the restricted section as well. £130 for one mistake is not right.
I too have just been caught out by this. Setting traps for drivers like this surely makes the roads less safe as you're busy scanning all the signs everywhere to make sure you're not breaking some rule rather than focusing on other road users.
Appalling. Total lack of clarity or understandable fore warning. This has always been my safe way into Kingston from Surbiton Station. I received my PCN following a drop off at 6-00am on a Saturday morning (1st April 2017 - April Fool - Kingston Council the architect!).
Signage inadequate. Not clearly visible from the minimum 45m (147 ft) as indicated in Traffic Signs Manual for 20mph roads. No fair indication or suggestions for cars to use Anglesea Road as only non-contravening option to access Surbiton Road from Surbiton Crescent.
My wife got caught last week not realising where she got the fine, I took the car out yesterday and was stopped by a local resident showing me the new road layout. I now too will be receiving a fine. The signage is inadequate and very misleading. I really do not see the point.
All of the comments made I agree with. I feel a warning letter would have solved the problem in my case. The signage was poor and as a regular user of this route on car and by bus I had no idea it was not open to cars. I had to pay twice in 2.5 hours.
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I believe it is unfair to penalise motorist for using the same route as before the sign was installed. It is badly signed and once you are through there is no way back so you would go through the restricted section as well. £130 for one mistake is not right.