Tell the G20: infinite economic growth on a finite planet is not possible.
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Matt T. Salo, Ph.D.
11 years ago
Depleting or degrading our natural ecosystems will be detrimental to our health and finally a threat to our existence.
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Alex Malcolm
11 years ago
The gravity of our situation is explained by this video by Dr. Al Bartlett:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8ZJCtL6bPs
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Stefan Ivanov Manov
11 years ago
Until we make fusion work and/or colonize other planets, we simply can't avoid our resources being limited. And in any case, the Earth is the only place suitable for us that we know of, so we should preserve it so for as long as we can. There's no point in wasting resources when everyone can be happy with less.
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NM Nayar,PhD
11 years ago
I agree in toto.
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Chancy Whitby
11 years ago
Big international frameworks are a start, but the real change comes from ending the paternal transfer of wealth to those who are most affected by Climate Change and these unsustainable economics. IDP's from climate related events need technology and information, not more handouts from big NGO's to adapt to the changes in their environments.
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Richard Laverack
11 years ago
Prof Kevin Anderson (Tyndal centre, U.K.) has been outlining the necessary carbon emissions reductions paths for many years. The required reductions path of 8/10% p.a. are not compatible with economic growth. The swell is getting bigger, with 4,000 people attending the last Degrowth conference in Germany. Far better to direct a transition than have a collapse.
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Christiane Kliemann
11 years ago
Decoupling economic growth from environmental impact in absolute terms is likely impossible. The so-called "green growth" is a myth and keeps us from taking urgent action. We need to transform our economy and our institutions in a way that they become independent of the imperative of continuous economic growth. This is the logic of the cancer cell
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Stephen Lee
11 years ago
Russian billionaire Yuri Milner announced on Monday that he pledges $100M to find Intelligent life in space with the idea that they? might teach us how to live sustainably on our planet. Lets hope those members of the G2O are able to discover a compassionate intelligent approach that redefines 'progress' and steers our ship of world into a safer and saner future without having to wait for answers from the Gods summoned to save our ass.
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Kelsey Wigg
11 years ago
The current economic direction is unsustainable
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Sue van Eesteren - Adams
11 years ago
Our Economic System driven by Profit at any cost is destroying the Earth we depend on for survival without even sharing its gifts rather preventing most human being from benefiting from them at all...this can only end in Doom as every Economic Tyrant throughout History found to his Cost ... There is enough when it is Shared Fairly, Inclusively not Exclusively as exits now; this is morally reprehensible & unsustainable in every sense
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Mitchell
11 years ago
Stop the Ideological Faith-Based Religion of Economics. All it's principle concepts are prehistoric, pre-scientific, anti-nature & anti-reality. Nostradamus would have had more accurate & honest projections of humanity's poor resource management than any self-branded Businessman, Banker, Broker, Economist, Financier, Lobbyist, Real Estate Agent, or Trader, let alone any Conservative, Oligarch, Plutocrat, Republican, or Fascist (which differences are difficult to describe)
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Stefan Thiesen
11 years ago
Contra to popular belief and interest driven campaigns the world is pretty much on track of the dire predictions made by the now classic Club of Rome report "LIMITS TO GROWTH", within the error margins duly given by the report. Given the limited knowledge at the time, the report was amazingly precise.
We are now living in a time where we begin to venture into space, begin to stretch out our senses to distant star systems and their planets, and our understanding of bio-geospheric dynamics has grown even faster than our suicidal self serving "economy", that nothing but betrays its name. In the 21st century we finally realized that we entered the anthropocene - a geological age where the human animal has become the deciding factor defining the fate of the planet. Pop-culture abides with insights into this fact, but political decision makers and even the self proclaimed science named "Economics" by and large ignore the state of affairs. Countries and businesses still are run with Mammalian territorial logics, driven by urge for power and greed - the logics of "mine" and "evermore". Nothing could be further from the truth than our self-given species name "Homo Sapiens". The wise, the insightful ape of genus homo? A preposterous joke at best! Perhaps Horaz, who suggested "Dimidium facti, qui coepit, habet: sapere aude, / incipe." was wise, the majority of man and decision makers is not. To put it simple and straight: the current path of mankind will lead right into what bioastronomers and philosophers of environment and technology refer to as the "great filter". It is the - hypothetical but very plausible - decisive point in the history of a planetary species, a technological species that has not yet become a civilization deserving to be called that. This point in history defines its future, decides whether it will survive, whether its planetary biosphere will survive and continue to sustain life. The whole point is that the science is on the table, but false beliefs,
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TonySomerset
11 years ago
Ever increasing consumerism, ever increasing debt and ever increasing pleasure seeking just is not sustainable by the planet we inhabit. We have to change.
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Richard Vernon
11 years ago
This is an obvious and urgent requirement for the welfare of humanity and the biosphere of which we are a part.
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Michael Gill
11 years ago
Heydn Washington says it better than I can, but I would add stop the mad rush to Global centrealisation of decision making.
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Dr Richard Lawson
11 years ago
It is impossible to expand forever into a finite space.
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John Rolls
11 years ago
Until now the environmental impacts of economic activity have essentially been ignored by economists and decision makers. There are now multiple indicators of planetary overload, and the decline of each of these indicators is largely on account of economic activity. Time to face up.
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JOACHIM ZIMMER
11 years ago
There is no planet B.
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Jan I Sander
11 years ago
Indefinite growth is clearly and practically an absurd objective. We must seek a way to survive within the bounds of the earths resources.
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Tim Pickles
11 years ago
Take time to learn from all natural systems. It's simply not possible to have unlimited growth in a closed and finite system. This is not "our" planet to use and abuse. It's finite resources belong to all living species on the planet past, present and future. If we continue as we are, the system will ensure the demise of the unbalanced aspects. It's happened so often before.
Depleting or degrading our natural ecosystems will be detrimental to our health and finally a threat to our existence.
The gravity of our situation is explained by this video by Dr. Al Bartlett: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8ZJCtL6bPs
Until we make fusion work and/or colonize other planets, we simply can't avoid our resources being limited. And in any case, the Earth is the only place suitable for us that we know of, so we should preserve it so for as long as we can. There's no point in wasting resources when everyone can be happy with less.
I agree in toto.
Big international frameworks are a start, but the real change comes from ending the paternal transfer of wealth to those who are most affected by Climate Change and these unsustainable economics. IDP's from climate related events need technology and information, not more handouts from big NGO's to adapt to the changes in their environments.
Prof Kevin Anderson (Tyndal centre, U.K.) has been outlining the necessary carbon emissions reductions paths for many years. The required reductions path of 8/10% p.a. are not compatible with economic growth. The swell is getting bigger, with 4,000 people attending the last Degrowth conference in Germany. Far better to direct a transition than have a collapse.
Decoupling economic growth from environmental impact in absolute terms is likely impossible. The so-called "green growth" is a myth and keeps us from taking urgent action. We need to transform our economy and our institutions in a way that they become independent of the imperative of continuous economic growth. This is the logic of the cancer cell
Russian billionaire Yuri Milner announced on Monday that he pledges $100M to find Intelligent life in space with the idea that they? might teach us how to live sustainably on our planet. Lets hope those members of the G2O are able to discover a compassionate intelligent approach that redefines 'progress' and steers our ship of world into a safer and saner future without having to wait for answers from the Gods summoned to save our ass.
The current economic direction is unsustainable
Our Economic System driven by Profit at any cost is destroying the Earth we depend on for survival without even sharing its gifts rather preventing most human being from benefiting from them at all...this can only end in Doom as every Economic Tyrant throughout History found to his Cost ... There is enough when it is Shared Fairly, Inclusively not Exclusively as exits now; this is morally reprehensible & unsustainable in every sense
Stop the Ideological Faith-Based Religion of Economics. All it's principle concepts are prehistoric, pre-scientific, anti-nature & anti-reality. Nostradamus would have had more accurate & honest projections of humanity's poor resource management than any self-branded Businessman, Banker, Broker, Economist, Financier, Lobbyist, Real Estate Agent, or Trader, let alone any Conservative, Oligarch, Plutocrat, Republican, or Fascist (which differences are difficult to describe)
Contra to popular belief and interest driven campaigns the world is pretty much on track of the dire predictions made by the now classic Club of Rome report "LIMITS TO GROWTH", within the error margins duly given by the report. Given the limited knowledge at the time, the report was amazingly precise. We are now living in a time where we begin to venture into space, begin to stretch out our senses to distant star systems and their planets, and our understanding of bio-geospheric dynamics has grown even faster than our suicidal self serving "economy", that nothing but betrays its name. In the 21st century we finally realized that we entered the anthropocene - a geological age where the human animal has become the deciding factor defining the fate of the planet. Pop-culture abides with insights into this fact, but political decision makers and even the self proclaimed science named "Economics" by and large ignore the state of affairs. Countries and businesses still are run with Mammalian territorial logics, driven by urge for power and greed - the logics of "mine" and "evermore". Nothing could be further from the truth than our self-given species name "Homo Sapiens". The wise, the insightful ape of genus homo? A preposterous joke at best! Perhaps Horaz, who suggested "Dimidium facti, qui coepit, habet: sapere aude, / incipe." was wise, the majority of man and decision makers is not. To put it simple and straight: the current path of mankind will lead right into what bioastronomers and philosophers of environment and technology refer to as the "great filter". It is the - hypothetical but very plausible - decisive point in the history of a planetary species, a technological species that has not yet become a civilization deserving to be called that. This point in history defines its future, decides whether it will survive, whether its planetary biosphere will survive and continue to sustain life. The whole point is that the science is on the table, but false beliefs,
Ever increasing consumerism, ever increasing debt and ever increasing pleasure seeking just is not sustainable by the planet we inhabit. We have to change.
This is an obvious and urgent requirement for the welfare of humanity and the biosphere of which we are a part.
Heydn Washington says it better than I can, but I would add stop the mad rush to Global centrealisation of decision making.
It is impossible to expand forever into a finite space.
Until now the environmental impacts of economic activity have essentially been ignored by economists and decision makers. There are now multiple indicators of planetary overload, and the decline of each of these indicators is largely on account of economic activity. Time to face up.
There is no planet B.
Indefinite growth is clearly and practically an absurd objective. We must seek a way to survive within the bounds of the earths resources.
Take time to learn from all natural systems. It's simply not possible to have unlimited growth in a closed and finite system. This is not "our" planet to use and abuse. It's finite resources belong to all living species on the planet past, present and future. If we continue as we are, the system will ensure the demise of the unbalanced aspects. It's happened so often before.