| # | Name | Comments |
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| 1301 | Terence Bonnar | The seating on these trains has led me to seek treatment for back strain caused by the cramped uncomfortable seating on these trains. |
| 1302 | Steve Waldron | Timetables could at least be marked with the type of train to allow passenger choice. |
| 1303 | Lee Hollingworth | The use of the blue 450s is a real annoyance compared to the quality offered by the white 444. I often prefer to sit on the floor than in the middle of the three seater or be cramped within the two seat area. This cannot be right! |
| 1304 | Anonymous | the 450 trains are a total misery and I go through depression everytime I have to get on one. |
| 1305 | Anonymous | another issue with 450 coaches is that the double doors let in a considerable amount of cold air in winter / hot air in summer, making them a very inefficient & un-green design wasting energy on heating & air-conditioning, and adding to the discomfort for passengers. |
| 1306 | Anonymous | Stagecoach stop being tight with your profits and either build some more 444 units or bring back the 442 units. You owe to your long suffering commuters, not to your filthy rich shareholders. |
| 1307 | Nicholas Smith | The ridiculous thing about the switch to 450s is that they are so cramped that many people choose not to sit in the middle seat of the '3 seat side' prefering to stand so the increase in capacity is unusable anyway.
I, like many others I suspect, have changed my travel times to avoid to going 450s and travel when I know a 444 is available. Thus SWT is increasing congestion on trains because people actively avoid the appalling 450s. |
| 1308 | Ivor Stockdale | The lack of consultation on this major change of travelling conditions is absolutely appalling. None of the reasons SWT have quoted thus far for deploying Class 450 trains ring true, as I find they very rarely run 12 car trains, and the 8 car versions definately are more overcrowded than the numerous 10 car Class 444s used to be before the change. Overall, a shocking move by a company that for so long have ignored the views of their long-suffering customers who have no choice but to use their trains |
| 1309 | Anonymous | |
| 1310 | Anonymous | |
| 1311 | Stuart Aiken | |
| 1312 | Andy Breen | A guy with a great deal of back pain since these trains have been put in use on th Portsmouth to Waterloo line. This is no coincidence, the pain only come when I'm travelling on this train. I will be consulting with a physician. |
| 1313 | Mike Howard | The sooner we get back to the great 444 trains the better - I'd rather stand than sit in the dreadful 455 seats. |
| 1314 | jim ellison | the cramped conditions on class 450 units is unacceptable. swt recently withdrew 24 perfectly good 5 car units known as 442s, and then tells everybody overcrowding is a problem! the 444s are good units and should be used on services south of haslemere. |
| 1315 | Michael Grimes | The seats on the 450 class units are 44 cm wide. a typical adult measures 60cm elbow to elbow across the upper body (arms by side) so not all passengers can sit back in their seat. For a journey of 1-2 hours this must surely be a H&S issue. |
| 1316 | Anonymous | The 450 trains are uncomfortable, cramped and the air cond. is a health hazard. Bad cramped , hard seating causes back, hip and neck problems, many passengers prefering to stand in over crowded conditions than endure physical discomfort sitting |
| 1317 | Graham McHugh | Also applies to route from Cosham to Waterloo via Eastleigh and Basingstoke; an even longer journey than the direct line from Portsmouth. |
| 1318 | Chris Gilder | As predicted by early petitioners, the air-conditioning on the 450 is not able to cope with even part-full carriages. These systems have been designed on the basis that fresh air will be admitted, through the doors, at frequent stops on suburban routes. Less frequent stops on inter-city routes means less fresh air for passengers. Unfortunately SWT trains will soon have some evidence of this as passengers are taken ill and trains delayed as a consequence. |
| 1319 | John White | |
| 1320 | Robin Heanley | The 450 stock is extremely uncomfortabe in the context of journey lengths involved outside the normal "suburban" area for which these trains were originally designated. I personally have chronic back trouble and have alweays paid first class so that I had the maximum prospect of avoiding an acute episode of back spasm and sciatica due to train travel. The so-called first class seating in the 450 stock is anything but comfortable. The back rests are at the wrong angle and are unadjustable, the seat fobs are too narrow and too shallow (front to back), the legroom is inadequate, the armrests are too high and too firm - it is better to put them up, out of the way, only you can't do this with the rest adjacent to the window. The fold-down tables are suitable for coffee only (which you can't buy on board) - they do not allow room to work - one of the other reasons for paying for a first class seat. The seats in first class 450 stock are far inferior to the standard seats in the 444 stock. |
| 1321 | Simon | Nightmare! How Stagecoach won the franchise is beyond me... I would like to see the CEO travel each day for and hr and half and see what he thinks! |
| 1322 | Richard Goldsmith | The first class seats are pitiful for space and cut off blood supply in the legs. |
| 1323 | Jane Wessel | I would add to this my grave concern at the 25% price increase this year alone in the first class weekly season ticket, even though these shockingly cramped new trains do not provide sufficient room to work even in first class. Services decline, and yet we have no choice but to pay ridiculously inflated prices for those services. |
| 1324 | Anonymous | |
| 1325 | GERALD PHILLIPS | I support the campaign . The 450 is a step backwards . Many of the seatings areas are far to small even for the average sized person . This was not thought about enough , and customers should have been asked for their views . |
| 1326 | jill reed | no 450 the seating isnt big enough . |
| 1327 | Anonymous | It is symptamatic of the way that SWT are treating its passengers as they have also down graded the trains on the Romsey to Southampton line to little more that cattle trucks albeit refurbished - cramped and no air conditionning. |
| 1328 | Anonymous | Since the 450s arrived, I've suffered back pain after every trip. The seat are not designed for long distance travel and there are no tables for work. Please upt back proper long distance rolling stock |
| 1329 | Richard Hillier | The 450 seats are far too narrow for a longish journey and the lack of tables is a nuisance for people trying to work whilst on the move. Running additional commuter trains on the Woking - Waterloo section would be a more sensible approach to overcrowding. |
| 1330 | Anonymous | These are |
| 1331 | Anonymous | Couldn't agree more. Blue trains are ghastly with very uncomfortable seats - too narrow and the arms are too high. The journey is too long for these trains to be suitable. |
| 1332 | Anonymous | Couldn't agree more. Blue trains are ghastly with very uncomfortable seats - too narrow and the arms are too high. The journey is too long for these trains to be suitable. |
| 1333 | Anonymous | The Portsmouth mainline should not be relegated to the status of a suburban London route. |
| 1334 | JP | The 450s are totally unacceptable on the Portsmouth to London Line. The seats are so ludicrously uncomfortable that often I prefer to stand. So much for providing more seating capacity. |
| 1335 | Andy Guest | I have been travelling from Petersfield to Waterloo for just over 2 years, I now suffer from boughts of back & neck pain which I didn't have before April 2007, the actual train journey has lengthened, the delays & cancellations continuous, the only way to make the management listen to & do something about these apalling conditions would be to halt the train in Platform at various stations similar to the fuel protests in recent years, as soon as it hurts their pockets changes may happen! |
| 1336 | Nicholas Clark | |
| 1337 | Anonymous | Renewal rates for a first class season from Haslemere up nearly 40% in a year but we have no choice if want to avoid blue train pain.
It's a tax - blame the lame government and its spineless regulator for not spotting this one.
SWT also go down as the worst company I have ever had to be a customer of - first they lure you in with the white 444's which are fine in both classes, then downgrade to appalling 450's which are a human insult in second class so force the upgrade to first class if you ever want to survive an hour on a 450 (although first class on a 450 is actually the lowest comfort level I have experienced in 10 years (bar 450 second class) as there is still not enough legroom to avoid knees hitting the hard plastic seatback in front). Then comes the real cynical ploy - once you're "hooked" on first they slam up the fares 40% for the inferior service you are forced to accept. This is the sort of low-grade, Britain-gone-mad stuff that perpetuates the existence of too much waste, profiteering at the expense of the consumer, a culture of just not caring and the general mediocrity we are sinking into as there is simply no competition. |
| 1338 | Anonymous | Leg room on the 450 is unacceptable, I would rather stand then sit in such a torturous position. You can't even open a regular sized laptop on the table properly. |
| 1339 | john | |
| 1340 | Anonymous | I travel from Haslemere on what I believe is a 'mainline' journey to Waterloo. I need to work on the train which is almost impossible with the tiny, cramped seats. As this is a 'mainline' service, why do I have to sit in a 'suburban' train? This is just not good enough. |
| 1341 | chaka brown | |
| 1342 | Michael Bird | 450 trains are extremely uncomfortable for larger people.
Vever are all 5 seats used as it is not possible for 5 people to sit for long jouneys - too cramped. |
| 1343 | Jordan Allen | |
| 1344 | Paul Cartwright | Often when travelling to London I need to take a suitcase with me, I am finding it almost impossible to stow the case and most times have to sit just inside the doors - on the case. This is cattle class travel at first class prices. |
| 1345 | Anonymous | |
| 1346 | Gareth Roberts | I dread seeing the cramped blue train turn up for my journey to London. I travel by train to London with the intention of utilising this time to get some work done on my laptop but am normally unable to due to the lack of space. I might as well go back to driving into the London and getting a tube from Wimbledon. Please bring back the comfortable white rolling stock. |
| 1347 | Pam Braddock | The 450 trains are cramped and uncomfortable and not suitable for this route |
| 1348 | Chris Taylor | As a daily commuter from Haslemere paying £319 pounds a month, I find it disgraceful at this backward step in service.
Prices cannot rise to pay for a worse service, The 450 trains are virtually guaranteed to give you back pains. Hardly anyone sits in the middle seats anyway, many prefer to stand.
The layout and configuration of the 450's is a complete joke for a journey of One Hour (or more)
The removed the fast service to Waterloo (ie the no stops at all) - The fast train home takes 8 minutes longer than it needs to (or used to)
Despite promises of improvements on this line it is still not all it could be. The 450's are the most obvious area that could be improved. |
| 1349 | alan | |
| 1350 | Mr Kirk Chesley | All the above, particularly the window seat and twisted spine issue, which is very real and also the size of the average male shoulders meaning that the middle of three has to sit forward and the isle passenger keeps being hit by other passing passengers. |